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THE FIRST SIN
John from Kentucky:
Actually, it appears the 1st sin was by Satan.
Scriptures indicate that angelic life was before human life.
In John 8:44, Jesus states that Satan was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies. Thus it seems Satan was the 1st sinner. I cannot find in the Scriptures that there was sin before him.
theophilus:
Hello Extol, I see what Ray meant. But I disagree. Even the serpent insisted that EATING the fruit (not touching it) would cause Adam and Eve's eyes to be opened and for both to be like gods, knowing good and evil.
Suppose Eve had just held the fruit in her hands without eating it. Suppose also that Adam had done the same thing. If God had truly warned them not to touch the fruit (besides not eating it), Adam and Eve would have begun to die at the very point in time that they had touched it. The serpent would have had to egg Eve on to just touch it. But the serpent was focused on getting Eve to eat of the fruit.
Thank you for the link. :)
theophilus:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 25, 2014, 07:52:36 PM ---Actually, it appears the 1st sin was by Satan.
Scriptures indicate that angelic life was before human life.
In John 8:44, Jesus states that Satan was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies. Thus it seems Satan was the 1st sinner. I cannot find in the Scriptures that there was sin before him.
--- End quote ---
Hello John, I've wondered about this verse. Who did Satan murder to be called a "murderer from the beginning" by the Lord Jesus himself?
Dave in Tenn:
Mat 5:21 `Ye heard that it was said to the ancients: Thou shalt not kill, and whoever may kill shall be in danger of the judgment;
Mat 5:22 but I--I say to you, that every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in danger of the judgment, and whoever may say to his brother, Empty fellow! shall be in danger of the sanhedrim, and whoever may say, Rebel! shall be in danger of the gehenna of the fire.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies...
Mar 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within...
Murder is in the heart. Does it matter if there was not one there to be murdered? Does it matter even today among people? If I am prowling the streets looking to murder someone, surely I am a murderer by Jesus' declaration, if only "to be angry without cause" is to do.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour...
Joel:
Just because the Bible doesn't say Satan was there when Cain killed Abel doesn't mean he was not working in Cain.
The Bible does say he was there in Judas before Jesus was crucified.
Joel
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