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THE FIRST SIN
Kat:
I think this could be looked at in a totally different light, if you consider this story about Adam and Eve is a parable. Yes I believe they were real people and it was a real event that happened, but as a parable the objects in the story are symbolic and represent something else.
Take the Tree of life... a symbol of Christ Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Rev 2:7 ...To those who win the victory I will give the right to eat the fruit from the tree of life, which is in God's paradise.
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."
John 6:57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.
The symbolism of eating of the Tree of life is obeying and living for Christ, the real Tree of life. The same is true with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil... it is not a literal tree with fruit that Eve ate, if this is a parable... it is just like we do not eat real bread/fruit to partake of Christ. The tree/fruit is symbolic of something else.
I think focusing on who sinned first is missing the point of this story. The parable/story about mankind starts with Adam, he is the first man spoken of in Scripture and he represents all mankind. What happened in the garden to Adam and Eve is describing what happens to all mankind in symbolic terms.
The death that comes from eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is spiritual death. I mean if you think about partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil isn't that living this life, experiencing good and evil, leading to sin and (spiritual) death?
Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
This is all speaking of spiritual death that comes to all who partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The physical death is automatic for all physical living things, but spiritual death comes only by sin... animal do not sin and do not have this spiritual death.
Just another way to look at 'the first sin'...
mercy, peace and love
Kat
jingle52:
Many thanks Kat, you are growing spiritually indeed! Your perspective is always so thoughful and deep. I do so appreciate learning here with all of you ;D
Stay blessed :D :D
Jingle
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 25, 2014, 07:52:36 PM ---Actually, it appears the 1st sin was by Satan.
Scriptures indicate that angelic life was before human life.
In John 8:44, Jesus states that Satan was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies. Thus it seems Satan was the 1st sinner. I cannot find in the Scriptures that there was sin before him.
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not sure there is a scripture indicating who sinned 1st or that the statement has any spiritual value, however here are some verses that may help..
speaking of the greater sin
Yeshua said to him, “You have no power at all over me unless it has been given to you from above; therefore, whoever has delivered me to you has greater sin
The woman said/replied, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Aramaic ..
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and violated the commandment;
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Satan still does it today, even after being punished
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on July 26, 2014, 10:29:49 AM ---Mat 5:21 `Ye heard that it was said to the ancients: Thou shalt not kill, and whoever may kill shall be in danger of the judgment;
Mat 5:22 but I--I say to you, that every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in danger of the judgment, and whoever may say to his brother, Empty fellow! shall be in danger of the sanhedrim, and whoever may say, Rebel! shall be in danger of the gehenna of the fire.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies...
Mar 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within...
Murder is in the heart. Does it matter if there was not one there to be murdered? Does it matter even today among people? If I am prowling the streets looking to murder someone, surely I am a murderer by Jesus' declaration, if only "to be angry without cause" is to do.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour...
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I don't know if it matters or not. The thought just occurred to me. Simple curiosity I suppose. Maybe what Jesus meant was that Satan spiritually murdered Adam and Eve. And since it all starts with these two, murdering them spiritually gained him this infamous title.
theophilus:
Hello Kat, you are correct when you state that focusing on who sinned first misses the point of the story. I am not doing that. I just wanted to pick your brains regarding this topic. I was just curious.
Yes, lots of symbols in this story. Like you said, eating the fruit of the Tree of Life meant being obedient to the Lord God; and eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil meant being disobedient to the Lord God. The determinant factor was THE CHOICE of which tree to eat, NOT THE FRUIT.
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