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Eph.4:9
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on September 07, 2014, 05:20:23 AM --- We dont have any good in our hearts
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Read above post. The DESIRE to do good is all about the heart. The WILL to do good is all about the heart. If Paul had that, then he had good in his heart. (The HEART is not the blood-pumping organ in our bodies).
What Paul lacked wasn't "having good in his heart".
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 07, 2014, 09:59:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on September 07, 2014, 05:20:23 AM --- We dont have any good in our hearts
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Read above post. The DESIRE to do good is all about the heart. The WILL to do good is all about the heart. If Paul had that, then he had good in his heart. (The HEART is not the blood-pumping organ in our bodies).
What Paul lacked wasn't "having good in his heart".
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Ian 155:
Read above post. The DESIRE to do good is all about the heart.
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I Know there is no Good In us,our desire on the surface may SEEM to be good with good intentions but inside we are brute beasts ...only God is good
IT is GOD who fulfills our desire thru Christ, as Paul testifies-Rom 7v28 -we have need of intervention,my understanding of the need for a good doctor has come about by me wanting to desire God (which is also of God)I have been wrapped up in knowledge and self seeking all my life (pride)
sideline:
And to every one of the brothers and sisters which are few, malicious talk and gossip about what we see as false churches and religions should stop why ?because they know not what they do (which is also of God)Likewise we Know not what we do, by judging we condemn ourselves because we DO THE SAME THINGS
rick:
Hello Ian,
If we are just brute beast, can you explain to me why there is a war going on within? Paul said when he goes to do good evil is present and that which he wants to do he ends up doing another thing.
But without the good in us there would be no struggle but because there is good in all of us we wrestle inwardly wanting to do the right thing but God made us in vanity so our choice is not always a good choice.
I want to do right all the time but sometimes I don’t , so does that make me pure evil? Is there no good in my heart at all even though I do many good things as well? ???
cheekie3:
Ian / Rick / All -
It looks to me that you are all in agreement albeit looking at this from different perspectives.
We all need God to change us and enable us to do Good; as Good only comes from God.
God judges each of us by the desires of our hearts - which include lusts and the desire to do Good.
Those that do Good from God's perspective must have been converted / enabled by God.
I personally believe that at all times, deep down, we all know whether our actions are selfish or selfless - or in other words - whether our heart's desire is to do Good or to do Evil.
George.
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