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Eph.4:9
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Rick on September 08, 2014, 06:16:04 PM ---Hello Ian,
If we are just brute beast, can you explain to me why there is a war going on within? Paul said when he goes to do good evil is present and that which he wants to do he ends up doing another thing.
But without the good in us there would be no struggle but because there is good in all of us we wrestle inwardly wanting to do the right thing but God made us in vanity so our choice is not always a good choice.
I want to do right all the time but sometimes I don’t , so does that make me pure evil? Is there no good in my heart at all even though I do many good things as well? ???
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Hey Rick,
Million dollar question - goes back to the tree Good and Evil ,I have to believe the word, If Jesus said no one is good then no one is good,If he said our heart is wicked it is wicked,Even though we Think we are good the word says different
The battle IS NOT OURS.It is fought in the unseen realm.
One cant try to get a pure heart God will give us one.
Only once God has killed All Lust and All Pride in us are we fit for the kingdom not before there is no 80 % entry only pure hearts .Jhn 12 v 24.
If you break one law you are guilty of ALL When the disciples said This is impossible they meant it, and many fell away.
I can only comment on my Personal walking, it has major flaws,
Do Not Worry is our instruction.So I wont
If you must Boast boast in your 'weakness' there you have it once you /I understand that fully and trust that the grace shown you is enough, Christs power will rest on you and you will overcome.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon ALL,
Unbelief is BAD.(it falls in the category of spiritual fornication and murder) Yet most dont believe that the heart is WICKED... there must be some good is the response....
ps dont feel alone here Rick, I HATE SOME Of THE THINGS I DO (only after I've done them though)
Dave in Tenn:
I don't believe the heart is 'wicked' because that is a poor translation. Not to say there isn't plenty wrong with it.
And it's the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
I don't take Jesus' reply to one not His disciple as containing some truth that contradicts the rest of Scripture. Never without a parable did He speak to them.
I also believe that 'good' and 'evil' are relative terms within themselves, not absolute. Why else is God's judgement related to WOOD, HAY, and STUBBLE when they are not of equally poor quality for 'house-building'? Neither are Gold, Silver and Precious Stones equally good.
God's Judgment on evil is to burn it away in the Fiery Judgement which is Himself. Smoke and ash are blown away by wind and washed with water.
God also judges GOOD! But He doesn't 'burn it away'. He refines it (improves it) in the Fiery Judgement which is Himself and makes it purer and better. LOVE is good, but it can be improved in all of us. All the aspects of the Fruit of the Spirit are GOOD (and reside in our hearts to the extent they do) but they can all be improved.
There is a teaching in Christianity (though not all adhere to it with equal zeal) called the Doctrine of the Total Depravity of Man. I don't believe that one either, though I used to. Even if you could produce a few people in whom NO GOOD AT ALL ever existed, their very existence would prove that GOOD DOES EXIST. And it will be made better (and is being made better) in Judgment. We ALL fall short of the Glory of GOD--we are all only beasts after all--but this is a temporary condition.
rick:
Hello Ian.
I guess I stand corrected, the heart is deceitful above all things, I guess the good things I do in this life are totally done in selfishness, one way or the other all I do is for my own benefit.
Whatever we human beings do are done for selfish reasons only and for no other reason than personal gratification.
I buy food at the store, the man who owns the store could care less about me, he’s there only for profit, he makes money I get to eat and live another day.
A man helps and old feeble women cross the street, why does he help her? He does not know her, but he thinks if he does not help her she will get hit by a car, so he only helps her because he’ll feel bad if he does not help her and she gets killed by a car crossing the street by herself.
So he helped her for his own conscious sake because it would of bothered him, he don’t really care about the old women, only himself.
So with every selfish act we commit someone is always being helped out, not for their sake but for our sake. This is how God made us to be I guess.
I an, I stopped worrying around the time I discovered there is no hell....LOL.
whatever Gods intentions for me maybe there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. So why worry about anything in this life.
But you know something , even if I do worry I worry only because of selfish reasons, that’s right, can I pay my bills this month, will I eat today, will I loose my job an so on an so on.
I guess the truth is we humans beings are totally self centered creatures being made in the image of God and when that happens we will no longer be self centered but God centered and when we are God centered I guess then we will be prefect.
After all, we are either a slave to righteousness or to sin, but either way, we are all slaves. ;)
cjwood:
well said dave, well said.
claudia
Ian 155:
i would say you are right Rick ,all that you mention is in fact FILTHY RAGS and is rooted in Lust and pride ,we do good to someone yet we have no idea who caused us to do the Good, until we understand - In him only do we live and move and have our being acts 17v28 we will continue to be deceived, one day we will get new hearts the heart of God then we will be 1 with him The last few chapters of Job really helped me with this, Job was "flawless" in Job chap 1 and then....
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