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Ian 155:

--- Quote from: Joel on September 16, 2014, 10:32:23 AM ---Satan is the embodiment of evil.
Man is constantly forced to make choices between good (GOD), and evil (Satan, World, flesh, devil).

Joel

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--- Quote from: indianabob on September 16, 2014, 12:18:04 PM ---Well maybe not...
Is Satan, who is the god of this world (cosmos) in any way embodied?
Or is it better understood that Satan is a spiritual force that tempts men indirectly? None of us have been carried up to a high mountain and offered great rewards to obey Satan. We are tempted by our own lust of the eyes, lust of our flesh and our own prideful attitude.

Related to EMBODIMENT

Synonyms
abstract, avatar, embodier, epitome, externalization, icon (also ikon), image, incarnation, incorporation,  manifestation, objectification, personification, personifier

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worth a discussion

Gen 3:4  And the serpent saith unto the woman, `Dying, ye do not die,
Gen 3:5  for God doth know that in the day of your eating of it--your eyes have been opened, and ye have been as God, knowing good and evil.'

Tempted by OUR OWN lusts and desires ?? Perhaps they "hang" out in the unseen realm and we take ownership ?? who placed them in us or out there?

Joel are u saying/implying God places us/forces us into a predicament ?and God(good) is in us as well as the devil ?Flesh,world - perhaps a glimmer of truth is this ?
in certain verses we are referred to as "Trees" some similes being Oaks and some Fig  ?

Joel:
Knowing good and evil, and being able to do good, and not evil is impossible without God (Holy Spirit).
Yes speaking for myself, I am constantly faced on a daily bases with temptations, and fiery trials, as many others are too.
If we don't have the mind of Christ for doing good, we give in to some of the works of the flesh. (listed in Galatians 5:19-21)
Christ working in us, helps us to produce the fruits of the Spirit. (Galatians 5:22-26)
The tree reference is a good example of fruit production.
James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Sins of the tongue (James 3) is deeper still.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.
Ray did a great job explaining Lucifer, and the serpent, and the truth about all that in my opinion.

Joel

cjwood:
reading through this thread made my head explode.  :o   round and round the conversation goes, and where it will stop only the mods know.  the thread has fallen into the debate vortex.

cjwood

indianabob:
Hi cjwood,
agree with your assessment.
We were just waiting for you to condense it down to its lowest common denominator for clarification.   ;D
You could perhaps find a hidden quote from Ray that 'esplains' it all...

Kindly offered, ole Indiana Bob

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