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Eph.4:9
dave:
Well said Friend. :)
Ian 155:
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I agree with you, that the heart is deceitful but I find that this quality stems not from it having been created evil, but rather, from its inherent weakness.
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Good discussion,
Questions i asked myself and the forum after rereading every word in this thread..
Is The heart 1st deceitful,and is it weak? or is it 1st weak? and due to this state, has it the ability to be deceived,and to deceive?
Was Eve deceived by what her heart saw? did what she saw appeal to her lusts,were those lusts already in place inside her heart,or did they suddenly arrive. If so who placed them there?
Did the crooked serpent sow a twisted/perverted version of what GOD said.
Was the ability to disbelieve what God said would happen and receive what the serpent said would happen due to a weak mind.(subject to vanity).Who caused this acceptance
If she possessed the spirit of God she would have discerned that the serpent was wrong.
Inside this weak mind/heart do all sorts of wickedness and evil exist.
is the carnal,weak,lusting mind, the devil?
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on September 16, 2014, 02:54:22 AM ---
--- Quote ---I agree with you, that the heart is deceitful but I find that this quality stems not from it having been created evil, but rather, from its inherent weakness.
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is the carnal,weak,lusting mind, the devil?
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No it is not, Ray spoke about this in an email. Jesus wasn't talking to his carnal weak lusting mind when He told satan, though shall not tempt the Lord thy God.
Jesus didn't have a carnal mind. The carnal mind is not satan.
Joel:
Satan is the embodiment of evil.
Man is constantly forced to make choices between good (GOD), and evil (Satan, World, flesh, devil).
Joel
indianabob:
Well maybe not...
Is Satan, who is the god of this world (cosmos) in any way embodied?
Or is it better understood that Satan is a spiritual force that tempts men indirectly? None of us have been carried up to a high mountain and offered great rewards to obey Satan. We are tempted by our own lust of the eyes, lust of our flesh and our own prideful attitude.
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