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lareli:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 29, 2014, 06:26:06 PM ---I don't think Ray made any references to 'knowing the season', and didn't quote the verse about 'days and hours', so don't "credit" Ray with this "understanding", Alex.
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You don't think Ray made any references to knowing the seasons? He may not have said the words "know the season" but saying he didn't reference "knowing the seasons.." What is the towers paper about then?
Is it not a warning that we, who are living in the post 9/11 world are living through the Isaiah 30 prophecy and the end of this age and the ushering in of the next?
Ray may have not used the word "seasons" but how can one read the towers paper and say he never made any references to "knowing the seasons"? The entire paper is a reference to the times/season and a warning that we are in the season. A warning to repent because of the "disaster to come of 'BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS!' " quotations and caps are Rays words. Plus the fact that this paper is the only one on the bt home page with a big picture so every visitor sees it.. Leads me to understand that Ray did want his readers to know the season... Though he did acknowledge that few would take his warning seriously..
He wrote
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As we have seen in Jeremiah, God will punish ALL NATIONS, but the Christian Nations will be the first to fall. First God punishes His people, and then He punishes those He used as a club in His hand to punish His people. Few will take this warning seriously—what about YOU?
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Dave in Tenn:
Largeli, you are confusing (imo) the troubles facing the USA with the 'end of the age'. As best I can tell, Ray was talking about the US being set to take a fall, not the 'end of the world'.
I'd have to read the paper again to verify what I just said...I don't have time right now. All I wanted to point out is that Ray did not say what you said...YOU did. That is the full extent of the reason for my post to Alex.
zander:
Wow,so many more questions?
Is humanity soon to be extinct? Within the next 10, 20 or 30 years maybe?
I am not sure it makes sense to say that peace on earth will come for humans if most of humanity has been wiped out. Seems a contradiction there.
I'm sure I recall Ray also saying that the world is NOT going to end. I recall him saying this many times because "World is going to end" was such a favourite to his detractors and obviously the church.
Let's keep this thread going, it's very interesting.
indianabob:
Hi Zander,
I think that God set the example for His way to deal with rebellious mankind and mankind's prideful accomplishments. Much of what we have accomplished since Lord Jesus ascended has led to more and more sin, disease, war etc. Why would we want to preserve most of it?
For example all the great cathedrals and their false teaching. Won't they all need to come down and be covered over with grass? All the luxury ocean liners, sky scrapers and flights to the moon and mars; scrap iron for new bridges & farm implements.
When the Lord Jesus comes to rule he quite likely will start with a much smaller population base; similar to the eight persons who left the ark after the mythical (?) flood.
There is really nothing that men have invented and produced to please themselves that will be needed during the coming Kingdom on earth. We will very possibly get back to nature in its finest sense. Mankind's new goal will be building family values and teaching our children how to live righteously.
Indiana Bob
Dave in Tenn:
Here's Ray's words, Largeli.
THE IMPORTANCE OF SYMBOLISM
Just off Wall Street is the World Trade Center, where the recent Twin Towers symbolized the power and might of America. The Towers were more than just office buildings; they were symbols of the grandest kind. They stood 110 stories each (1,368 ft.), that’s over a quarter mile high. The Towers were seven years in the building, and boasted 10,000,000 sq. ft. (240 acres) of office space where 50,000 people worked. The tenants were diversified, but mostly it was a center for banks, trading companies, manufacturing headquarters, shipping fleets, securities, insurance, financial institutions, and did I mention banks?
The greatest center of financial power in the world is New York City. And the Symbol of Power for that "Great City" was the Twin Towers. Previously it was the Empire State Building: New York is the "Empire State."
When those Twin Tower Symbols fell, it was not just another disaster—it was a symbol of disaster to come of "BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS!"
Let’s see what God’s Word says about this monstrous event of September 11, 2001.
and...
It has been remarked many times that "prophecy is dual." Actually, I believe that many prophecies are multi-layered. That is, they are numerous fulfillment's usually beginning with the physical and literal, moving toward the figurative and spiritual.
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