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lareli:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on October 04, 2014, 03:14:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on October 03, 2014, 12:29:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on October 02, 2014, 02:21:39 AM ---There have been many towers that have fallen since this prophecy non more so than our own towers in our unregenerate minds.
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Ray addressed this in his paper, he writes..
"No other tower or wall collapse fits Isaiah's prophecy"
And
"God is describing through Isaiah a great and high wall that will collapse because of a "FALLING BREACH" up on the wall. Now then, who has ever heard of a stone wall or tower falling down because some stones came loose or broke out higher UP on the wall. The breach would merely fall down and have virtually no effect on the wall beneath it. Yet with the World Trade Towers, in both cases, it was a breach high up on the walls that brought down the entire Towers. Just as Isaiah prophesied."
When Isaiah wrote this prophecy he wasn't prophesying about any other towers falling in the history of the world. He was describing the twin towers that collapsed in America on September 11, 2001.
Comment as Ray would often say "OH Really"!
Ray believed it. I believe it.
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Yes Sir, Isaiah said that the towers of Greed,Corruption,Envy,Deceit, Lust and Pride,would come down however,he also said, these towers exist only in a certain population group, namely Americans, specifically "New Yorkers".
Don't forget to slip "Twin" in there, perhaps next to it add in 11 Sept. ;)
Now that Twin towers have come down, we can comfortably delete this prophecy from Isaiah, that is what you are saying, yes ?
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No that's not what I'm saying... But you already knew that.
If deleting scriptures is your thing then delete away! That's not what I said nor is it what Ray said. Rays paper was a warning and he knew many people wouldn't believe it.
Ian 155:
"No other tower or wall collapse fits Isaiah's prophecy"
So we can delete this, now that Isaiah's prophecy has taken place ?
1 cor 13 v8 - the gift that Isaiah had, is now done away with since 2002? that is concerning this particular prophecy.
Once a prophecy is fulfilled we no longer have use of it?? hope you can see what Im saying ...
I believe the truth is ...
Christ is the fulfillment, he brings our towers down,these towers are huge obstacles in our growth (idols) and they must come down. So you could reference the literal carnage that happened on 11 Sept to what is spiritually happening to those elected - like I said there have been many towers that have come down Literally,Its a great wonder how the tower of pizza still stands ;)
"tear down this temple and in/within three days, I will raise it"
Jesus was not referring to the literal ,Physical temple.
Rome however, did bring it down many years later (I stand corrected on this one) It is still awaiting real estate to be built again.
by My saying "that is what you mean ,Yes?" Im saying do you think that prophecy made 3000 + years ago only manifested in 2002 ?or is there a greater meaning and has it been manifesting in folks throughout time?
All of these Towers point to Jesus, Starting with The tower of Babel I believe these towers symbolize mans works to gain access to the kingdom, (going to church,tithing,doing good,being humble,obeying the commands),which we know cannot happen,one has to enter by the gate, one cannot "jump the wall"
These towers that came down on 11 Sept represented Wealth and prosperity and power, literally [An obvious trait of the false church] - they also, now that they are down,seem to have represented Greed and Lust and deceit .[An equally obvious trait of the false church]
Spiritually these things are in us and they must out.
Which tower is next ...the one in Nigeria ??
rick:
Hello Ian,
I see what your saying, its all quite profound to me . Thanks man. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
lareli:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on October 06, 2014, 09:32:31 PM ---"No other tower or wall collapse fits Isaiah's prophecy"
So we can delete this, now that Isaiah's prophecy has taken place ?
1 cor 13 v8 - the gift that Isaiah had, is now done away with since 2002? that is concerning this particular prophecy.
Once a prophecy is fulfilled we no longer have use of it?? hope you can see what Im saying ...
I believe the truth is ...
Christ is the fulfillment, he brings our towers down,these towers are huge obstacles in our growth (idols) and they must come down. So you could reference the literal carnage that happened on 11 Sept to what is spiritually happening to those elected - like I said there have been many towers that have come down Literally,Its a great wonder how the tower of pizza still stands ;)
"tear down this temple and in/within three days, I will raise it"
Jesus was not referring to the literal ,Physical temple.
Rome however, did bring it down many years later (I stand corrected on this one) It is still awaiting real estate to be built again.
by My saying "that is what you mean ,Yes?" Im saying do you think that prophecy made 3000 + years ago only manifested in 2002 ?or is there a greater meaning and has it been manifesting in folks throughout time?
All of these Towers point to Jesus, Starting with The tower of Babel I believe these towers symbolize mans works to gain access to the kingdom, (going to church,tithing,doing good,being humble,obeying the commands),which we know cannot happen,one has to enter by the gate, one cannot "jump the wall"
These towers that came down on 11 Sept represented Wealth and prosperity and power, literally [An obvious trait of the false church] - they also, now that they are down,seem to have represented Greed and Lust and deceit .[An equally obvious trait of the false church]
Spiritually these things are in us and they must out.
Which tower is next ...the one in Nigeria ??
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Isaiahs prophecy hasn't taken place as much as it is still taking place.. I think? I mean.. Isaiah 30 is about the end of the age and beginning of a new. Its not a single event. I think what Ray was warning about was that the towers falling on 9/11 was attested to in Isaiah but it was a "symbol of disaster to come".
I am only speaking my thoughts now and I don't know whether or not my thoughts are right.. but I think Rays paper was a warning that the time period of transition from one age to the next as prophesied in Isaiah 30 is unfolding now.. You show how the "towers" are many things in our minds/spirit. I see what you're saying. As Ray said in the paper, prophecy is dual and often multi-layered, so could it be that both perspectives are true?
When Ray said no other towers fit the prophecy, he was talking about towers coming down due to a "high breach" right? How does that square with towers of greed, lust, etc.? And have there been other physical towers that collapsed from a breach high up?
You mention geographical location as if the twin towers falling only affected America.. It has effected the entire world and still does more and more every day I would say. And Ray addressed that point in the paper also, saying that God will judge the Christian nations first, but it wont end there and God will judge the rest of the nations too, but only after He has used them as a club.. Just not first because judgment begins with the house of God and the Christian democracies of America and Europe are indeed the Israel of God.
What about "the day of great slaughter" is this in our minds also? Doesn't scripture say that, no flesh would remain had God not cut short those days, speaking of this same transition period? So isn't this physical? Or at least dual with a physical fulfillment since we know prophecy is dual?
lareli:
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 03, 2014, 02:17:01 PM ---Folks,
Another coming fall or crash would be the fall and ultimate crash of the "almighty" dollar; the world's currency.
What will ordinary folks in the U. S. do when most goods and services are closed to the public for lack of payment!??
We don't have to be physically attacked by foreign invaders in order to collapse from within. When the weight of Federal Debt. falls upon the 100,000,000 who actually have jobs and pay taxes the other 230,000,000 will have no one to support them. The Fed can print more money, but inflation will run rampant and bread may cost hundreds of dollars. Remember the example of Germany in 1930 along with the U.S. in our own deep depression.
Only now we have credit cards as our currency and how will you buy food when your credit limit needs to rise to $100,000.00 and your job pays $3,000 per month?
What will happen is that money will be hoarded and will not circulate and businesses that depend upon money [credit] moving or circulating in order to keep the business alive, will DIE.
Doctors and staff need to feed their families too, they cannot work for nothing. Hospitals will close.
Walmart a store that makes billions on a 4% margin of profit will close and lay off the folks who need jobs the most. Trucking companies will not haul food from Mexico and California to the Midwest for nothing, how will we eat? Grow our own food? Be serious!
What happens to people when nation wide panic strikes?
Oh the government will take care of us. Really???
This likely event will destroy more lives than an enemy attack.
Then add the possibility of "ebola" and "enterovirus" and no drugs available at any cost.
We are being warned....and we are not listening!
Just saying, Indiana Bob
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Hi bob. I agree with your assessment but my question is what is anyone supposed to do with a warning? Your post here and also Rays paper are warnings but with no solution.
Some are hearing the warnings but what are they supposed to do with it? The only thing I read in the towers paper as far as what to do about the warning is where Ray says..
If America doesn’t return to God and repent of her national and individual sins, America is going down, and nothing is going to stop it. Nero fiddled while Rome burned, and our great seers fiddle their messages of "deceit and SMOOTH things," while America is ready to go down in flames. ‘Me thinks’ Washington will also fiddle while America burns.
He gives instructions for 'America' to repent as the way to avoid the judgement that he's warning about. So are we just supposed to repent? Then what? Since America as a whole has not repented nor changed course, the scenario you posted or judgement in another form will continue. Do we 'look up' when it all hits the fan, knowing our redemption is near? Should we pray that we may be found worthy to escape the wrath of His judgments? Should we be preparing our hearts and spirits to endure whatever lies ahead? Should we examine ourselves day and night so that when His judgments are upon us it will be cause for excitement and not fear? So that we can approach His coming with confidence and not hide ourselves like Adam and Eve in the garden?
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