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John from Kentucky:
This Topic is an example of what happens when the Scriptures are disregarded regarding the need for two witnesses to establish a Scriptural Truth.
Does anyone have at least two Scriptures to back up any opinions or statements?
lareli:
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by My saying "that is what you mean ,Yes?" Im saying do you think that prophecy made 3000 + years ago only manifested in 2002 ?or is there a greater meaning and has it been manifesting in folks throughout time?
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To answer your second question,
Perhaps throughout time and dealing with the elect spiritually. Sure I accept that.
To answer your first question,
Ray certainly thought so. There's a whole section on this in his paper. He wrote that this prophecy was not for Isaiah's day but for a future day.. The end of the age specifically. The time for the elect to be judged first has to end sometime and the time for the rest of the world to be judged has to begin sometime. I think Rays towers paper shows we are in that time.
Ian 155:
Largely,I hear you and I believe that this pointed to a future event as most of the "shadows" do In fact every single word must be handled with great care .
I must admit I have only glanced over the towers paper ....as I kinda said to myself or felt, this did not line up with Rays teaching in comparison to other papers he wrote, I really felt this understanding or interpretation kinda strange...I will make an effort to go thru it properly however if I get disturbed by somthing I read I dont usually continue.
I can only say what I used to experience in the word and what I experience now.
In a particular church I went to everyone used to get upbeat on prosperity scriptures (including me ) I mean they all in one accord started speaking in tongues ,Yes Lord ,come now, this was on hearing scriptures like I will surely bless you ,I am coming to help you they would read scriptures in Duet 28 an and you had to parrot them (confess them aloud )this would go something like this, "I decree I am blessed in the basket I am blessed in the barn, blessed in the city blessed in the country yes God Said It so WE ARE BLESSED Hallelujah",
Yes AND amen GOD DID SAY THESE THINGS LITERALLY.
Likewise healing, he (Jesus) was sickly so we could be healed... he took all our sickness on himself now we walk free complete "sick free" I used to declare this..... even over Ray at one time (then John sorted me out) Not realising that the biggest cancer is spiritual cancer ...
>>> Now,present day, to me.... these prophetic scriptures mean something different when you line up the new testament they are spiritual blessings instead of great literal wealth,If you have clothes on your back and some food every day be ye happy/content see what I mean?If one is sick he/she must go to the elders :those who have been thru more than what I have {and the prayer of faith would take care of that spiritual sickness} "Physician heal yourself" takes on a different meaning
So yes the physical/literal towers came down... seeing that you were led to read this paper perhaps you are going to notice some "Spiritual" towers in your life, coming down.
God Bless
I added this below in response to your questions,
Regarding the day of great slaughter ...this pertains to the enemies of God or those things that are in Gods children that are preventing them gaining access to the kingdom - these things (the unbelief,the spiritual adulteries, the spiritual pansy (timid) in us are going to be slaughtered.... or it could at this time, in your mind, be a huge massacre in a huge field with bodies and limbs everywhere ;)
'When Ray said no other towers fit the prophecy, he was talking about towers coming down due to a "high breach" right? How does that square with towers of greed, lust, etc.? And have there been other physical towers that collapsed from a breach high up?'
I think Ray would admit that this is spiritual as well - one could say "meat not milk" lust of the flesh and of the eyes and Pride of life are not acceptable to our God look up in 1 john ,these represent a Breach even a high breach- spiritual fornication ,adultery,fear (these could be "lukewarm" traits)-
We however are commanded NOT TO FEAR - or FEAR NOT. why because "unless the Lord builds the house The labourers (tower builders) labour in vain"we cannot do anything about it, God will build his temple His WAY...so I now need faith to have the trust in God, that these things happening in me or to me, that are seemingly disastrous are in fact for good not evil - to see this, takes faith.
The flesh of kings-our high minded Carnal state's, will surely be given to the Fowl of the air (dark forces in High places)these things will be devoured and Our God uses the adversary to do this.
You, Gods elect, will see these things happen in your lives and in your family, if God is choosing you - "for he is my servant and I will show him how much he must suffer for my name sake"
Please note that we have a Creator who is above the "creature" we need to worship the Creator he will shew us great things, I speak as I hear and have the scripture as a witness in any statements I have made
You and your house hold shall be saved...When the towers fall.
lareli:
Ian I was wrong when I said that when Isaiah prophesied the towers falling that he was talking about none other than the twin towers. That's not what Ray wrote or meant. I was mistaken. My bad for any confusion.
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: largeli on October 10, 2014, 03:31:43 PM ---Ian I was wrong when I said that when Isaiah prophesied the towers falling that he was talking about none other than the twin towers. That's not what Ray wrote or meant. I was mistaken. My bad for any confusion.
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Hey Largeli, no sweat we all learning
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