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lilitalienboi16:
Ray said often that sin should not REIGN in us.

Romans 6:11-13 "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God."

The spirit of God indwelling compels us, inspires us, moves us forward, to be dead to the body and alive in the spirit that we would not serve the pulls of the flesh. So then we crucify the body and the carnal mind with it.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Romans 6:1-12 "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his."

So to Kat's point,

Romans 8:6-7 "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity [Deep Seated Hatred] against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

Philippians 2:5 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus"

John 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

In Christ,
Alex

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: Rick on November 03, 2014, 07:04:53 PM ---Hello Ian,

we start off carnal and die carnal don’t we, does anyone get converted in this age? When we see Christ as He is then we shall be like Him.

Rom 11:32  For God has made all people prisoners of disobedience, so that he might show mercy to them all.

Rom 7:15  I do not understand what I do; for I don't do what I would like to do, but instead I do what I hate.

Rom 7:19  I don't do the good I want to do; instead, I do the evil that I do not want to do.


Rom 12:2  Do not conform yourselves to the standards of this world, but let God transform you inwardly by a complete change of your mind. Then you will be able to know the will of God---what is good and is pleasing to him and is perfect.


Rom, 12;2 says for us not to be conformed to this world, then it says, but let God transform us inwardly by a complete change of our mind.

Is it not a ongoing process of becoming spiritual and its completion is after the resurrection for God’s elect only then the rest of humanity will learn righteousness? 

My question is when one of God’s elect dies doesn’t  he or she  still have carnality residing within them ? So, what does God do at the resurrection to make us completely spiritual?

What we do know about God’s elect is Rom 8:1  There is no condemnation now for those who live in union with Christ Jesus.  ???

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Rick... you asked; Does anyone get converted in this life?

Yes, this is what Christ said to the apostle Peter. Peter did just that after Christ sent him the holy spirit on pentacost.

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

And..

John 3:3 Verily, verily I say unto you, except a man be born again… (means spiritually begotten, spiritually converted, spiritually regenerated)… he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

Well, We are beggotten again.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Ray also says this in one of his audios "When came around Pentecost time though, a whole bunch of them were converted, about 120 of them. But Christ was leading them up to that. He’s probably leading some of us up to that." http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html

In Christ,
Alex

Ian 155:
Thats what Im thinking, all this knowledge and stuff we glean is of No value (benefit) unless we are converted -

Mike Gagne:
Paul didn't start his ministry until a least 17 yrs after his conversion, and by his writings we can see that he also struggled along with his carnal nature! At conversion you are not changed completely being you have a carnal mind and the flesh to deal with! That's why Jesus comes to us and begins a work in us! It's seems that it took Paul 17 yrs to come to the point where he could say that he finished his race! I can look back and I now know when my conversion happened and I am not the same wicked man I was! I can see the different or new man growing, here a little, there a little ,precept upon precept! And when your in this process it seems like it might never end. Well there's hope for me and that hope is Christ in me the hope of Glory! So here is a question, has anybody been converted and not struggle with the carnal mind acting up and getting in the way of the new creature.....P.S   If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John‬ 1‬:8-10‬ KJV).  I never said sin reigns in me!   Anyhow have a good day everyone!

Kat:

Hi Mike,

Yesterday I was responding to Rick's question about after we die and the first resurrection, which your response to that is what I believe happens before the elect are resurrected.


--- Quote from: Mike Gagne on November 03, 2014, 10:21:40 PM ---Hi Kat! I was thinking that it would be in the ressurection !  I can look back and see how God has changed my heart!
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Now today that first comment in your reply "I was thinking that it would be in the resurrection"... you do know that is not in this life, right? All that you say after that applies to what happens in this life for the elect. The first resurrection is when the elect that have died are raised out of the grave and those elect still living join them and are given new spiritual bodies and meet Christ in the air to return and rule on the earth. So my comment were directed toward the next age. Just trying to make it clear where I coming from in my replies.


--- Quote from: Mike Gagne on November 04, 2014, 07:00:00 AM ---Paul didn't start his ministry until a least 17 yrs after his conversion, and by his writings we can see that he also struggled along with his carnal nature! At conversion you are not changed completely being you have a carnal mind and the flesh to deal with! That's why Jesus comes to us and begins a work in us! It's seems that it took Paul 17 yrs to come to the point where he could say that he finished his race!
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This post where you say "it took Paul 17 yrs to come to the point where he could say that he finished his race."

Yes, when Paul made this statement he was writing from a Roman prison, he was awaiting death, being about to die he knew he had lived his life as a total sacrifice for the sake of the truth, right from when he was knocked down by the blinding light that was Jesus Christ. He knew his work was done "I have finished the race," and he had been faithful "I have kept the faith." So I guess he had no doubt after all he had been through, that he would remain faithful in the last days that he had.

So it's not so much that he or anybody can rest assured they are an elect, accept maybe like Paul when he already knew he was faithful right up to the end.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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