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Kat:
Right Ian, just wanted to bring what you and Alex was saying together for the sake of those newer ones here that have not heard all these discussions before.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on October 23, 2014, 02:47:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 22, 2014, 11:42:04 AM ---
Jesus said those who take the sword will die by the sword.
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Once one 'takes up the sword' one dies to the things of this world and one lives unto Christ (I have a two edged sword in my mouth) ;)
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Sometimes you give us a spiritual meaning of a verse, which is just your opinion. Two witnesses are needed to establish a spiritual truth, which takes discernment from God.
I don't see the Scriptures that say humans have a two-edged sword in their mouths. I see where the word of God is like a two-edged sword, and that Jesus has this two-edged sword because He is the Word of God.
Your teaching contradicts what Jesus said, so I hit the snooze button.
The point is, the true followers of Jesus are like Him, we do not kill or follow the ways of violence. We trust in Him for our protection.
Ian 155:
John,Just stating, the sword\word does have two edges - you're right Kat sometimes I dont think of those that are new to the forum .thanx for the wake up call.
The sword Peter used was not necessary bad for the servant of the high priest, though Jesus did say "enough now" my translation - the same servant was used in a confrontational/exposure role ,a little while later which as you know caused a dimension shift in Peter.
Paul also had to use the sword correcting a later indiscretion of Peter.
Re the scriptures there are a few - john 15v7,8 "if you abide in me and my word abides in You .... Duet 6v6 Prov 4v4
There was a stage where i was involved in the armed forces and killed with intent, what is the difference If I say to my brother "RACA" or even if I happen to just think the thought"I could just Kill you " right now.
Certain understandings I once had were put to death by the sword.
The word is the sword of God yes? (btw that is a genuine question)
There is Lots to contemplate in the original question Ryman posed.
Show me where you think what I stated contradicts, so I can repent and move on.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on October 23, 2014, 04:56:22 PM ---John,Just stating, the sword\word does have two edges - you're right Kat sometimes I dont think of those that are new to the forum .thanx for the wake up call.
The sword Peter used was not necessary bad for the servant of the high priest, though Jesus did say "enough now" my translation - the same servant was used in a confrontational/exposure role ,a little while later which as you know caused a dimension shift in Peter.
Paul also had to use the sword correcting a later indiscretion of Peter.
Re the scriptures there are a few - john 15v7,8 "if you abide in me and my word abides in You .... Duet 6v6 Prov 4v4
There was a stage where i was involved in the armed forces and killed with intent, what is the difference If I say to my brother "RACA" or even if I happen to just think the thought"I could just Kill you " right now.
Certain understandings I once had were put to death by the sword.
The word is the sword of God yes? (btw that is a genuine question)
There is Lots to contemplate in the original question Ryman posed.
Show me where you think what I stated contradicts, so I can repent and move on.
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...and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Eph 6:17
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Heb 4:12
Kat:
So that is your proof Scripture John? Surely you know the passage in Ephesians is speaking to the "brethren" to "take... the sword of the Spirit."
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
v. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
v. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
v. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
v. 14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
v. 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
v. 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
v. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
Surely you know the those believers who have the Spirit indwelling do learn how to wield the truth of the Scripture.
2Tim 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (NKJV)
2Tim 2:15 Give diligence, thyself, approved, to present unto God,—a workman not to be put to shame, skillfully handling the word of truth. (Rotherham)
2Tim 2:15 Endeavor to present yourself to God qualified, an unashamed worker, correctly cutting the word of truth." (CLV)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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