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John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 23, 2014, 08:13:02 PM ---
So that is your proof Scripture John? Surely you know the passage in Ephesians is speaking to the "brethren" to "take... the sword of the Spirit."
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
v. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
v. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
v. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
v. 14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
v. 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
v. 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
v. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
Surely you know the those believers who have the Spirit indwelling do learn how to wield the truth of the Scripture.
2Tim 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (NKJV)
2Tim 2:15 Give diligence, thyself, approved, to present unto God,—a workman not to be put to shame, skillfully handling the word of truth. (Rotherham)
2Tim 2:15 Endeavor to present yourself to God qualified, an unashamed worker, correctly cutting the word of truth." (CLV)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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No need to get all riled up, Kat.
Ian asked a question, I quote, "The word is the sword of God yes? (btw that is a genuine question)".
I answered the question with two Scriptures. End of story.
The Scriptures explain its own symbols. A sword in many places symbolizes the word of God, which is Jesus. In Genesis, we have the flaming sword turning every which way guarding the Tree of Life, which is also Jesus. Flames and Fire also represent Jesus. And of course, the Cherubim guard the throne of God (Jesus), see Genesis and Ezechiel 1.
However, in the Garden, when Peter was going commando on that guy and cut off his ear, Jesus was not using the word sword in its symbolic sense. He was literally telling Peter not to take the way of violence. Jesus' Kingdom is not of this world. Jesus said that he could have called upon twelve legions of angels (around 72,000) to defend Himself, if force were needed.
But Jesus did not take the way of violent force in this age. Neither should we. That's my point. Easy peasy.
Ian 155:
Peter partially removed Malchus ability to hear Jesus restored it -- Fully
The spiritual implications of Peters actions are huge is what im saying
If you believe this was only a little physical altercation where Peter is "sticking up for Jesus", we best leave it there and continue with the topic.
There were/are those who defend the "gospel" by torturing people literally thru incorrect interpretation
And there were/are those who defend the gospel who have caused great harm spiritually
There are those who believe the good report and some the bad report ---2 edges
whos report do you believe
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 23, 2014, 08:56:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kat on October 23, 2014, 08:13:02 PM ---
So that is your proof Scripture John? Surely you know the passage in Ephesians is speaking to the "brethren" to "take... the sword of the Spirit."
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
v. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
v. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
v. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
v. 14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
v. 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
v. 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
v. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
Surely you know the those believers who have the Spirit indwelling do learn how to wield the truth of the Scripture.
2Tim 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (NKJV)
2Tim 2:15 Give diligence, thyself, approved, to present unto God,—a workman not to be put to shame, skillfully handling the word of truth. (Rotherham)
2Tim 2:15 Endeavor to present yourself to God qualified, an unashamed worker, correctly cutting the word of truth." (CLV)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
No need to get all riled up, Kat.
Ian asked a question, I quote, "The word is the sword of God yes? (btw that is a genuine question)".
I answered the question with two Scriptures. End of story.
The Scriptures explain its own symbols. A sword in many places symbolizes the word of God, which is Jesus. In Genesis, we have the flaming sword turning every which way guarding the Tree of Life, which is also Jesus. Flames and Fire also represent Jesus. And of course, the Cherubim guard the throne of God (Jesus), see Genesis and Ezechiel 1.
However, in the Garden, when Peter was going commando on that guy and cut off his ear, Jesus was not using the word sword in its symbolic sense. He was literally telling Peter not to take the way of violence. Jesus' Kingdom is not of this world. Jesus said that he could have called upon twelve legions of angels (around 72,000) to defend Himself, if force were needed.
But Jesus did not take the way of violent force in this age. Neither should we. That's my point. Easy peasy.
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Isn't it possible that there could be a spiritual application to this account though? A spiritual lesson to be learned from peter's physical actions?
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 Cor. 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Granted I don't have a scripture verse that matches the "cutting off of the ear" as offending or harming someone's spiritual well being. Though there are many reference to the importance of not simply "seeing" the words of the spirit but "hearing" it too. Without an ear, you can't really hear quite as well now can you?
Just some thoughts.. I don't know where I stand on this interpretation of peter's actions in the garden but I have heard it before. I will pray about it.
God bless,
Alex
Ian 155:
there are a few I discovered Alex
Rev 11v1-14
psalm 149v6\
Prov 5v4
Judges 3 v 13,14,15 and many more
Point is the word is duel two meanings /2 edges
1st your literal understanding which is then divided when one gets spiritual enlightenment.
carnal ears 1st then spiritual - water 1st then wine
“But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22 v36-Rev 3v18
the process of a literal sword being beaten into a spiritual ploughshare takes on new meaning
Kat:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 23, 2014, 01:33:34 PM ---I don't see the Scriptures that say humans have a two-edged sword in their mouths. I see where the word of God is like a two-edged sword, and that Jesus has this two-edged sword because He is the Word of God.
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Well John this was the comment I was addressing in particular. I totally agree that "A sword in many places symbolizes the word of God, which is Jesus." My point in the Scripture I posted was that believers certainly can wield the two edged sword as well.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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