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All sin leads to death and...
Ian 155:
We are all guilty and MUST die (spiritually)John 12:25
"all full blown sin leads to/is a death sentence.
I believe the sin not leading to death is when one "wanders"from the truth after being reborn (spiritually)... Peter wandered Paul "brought" him back
We are also instructed to come back to our "senses"
Kat:
--- Quote from: Mike Gagne on November 26, 2014, 11:18:50 PM ---Hi Kat! Are you saying that once your called and chosen you just sit back and relax and wait for the resurrection and that's when you will be made Christ like? That's what it's sounds like your saying! That's what the church does, they just wait because Jesus has done it all. Is this just another church? Jesus doesn't come to the elect and do a work,I don't think that's the way it goes. If Jesus calls you then chooses you I think when He comes to you, He is still a consuming fire! The lake of fire, He's doing a Circumsizion of the heart! I think everything I said is in line with what LRay teaches and what the bible tells us!! I am saying the same thing Lray says! You are either in the fire now or your in the fire after the resurrection! I don't care what fire it is, it is all the same,it is CHRIST...!!
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You must not read many of my posts if that's what you think I was saying....
--- Quote ---So you guys really never read what I wrote!
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I most certainly did.
--- Quote ---How can we have two different lakes off fire? ...
Now your saying opposite of what LRay teaches, that there are different fires that we go through! Then if that's the case we must have two different gods...
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Heb 12:29 "For our God is a consuming fire."
As Christ is one with the Father, He is also this "consuming fire" and that is where the judgment on the house of God comes from now in this age. When the elect join with Christ when He returns, they also will become one with God and be a "consuming fire" and that will become the lake of fire that judges the world in the next age.
--- Quote ---Now alex said that the elect will not be harmed by the lake of fire! So alex are you saying that God is a respecter of person?....
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Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Rev 2:11 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death." '
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WE ARE GOD’S BUILDING
In what "certain ways" are we "like" God’s "building?"
"Know ye not that YE [that’s us] ARE the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells IN YOU" (I Cor. 3:16). "For ye are the temple of the living God…" II Cor. 6:16).
Notice that "ye are the temple of God" is another metaphor. In what certain ways are we like the temple of God? Answer:
"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief corner stone; in Whom ALL THE BUILDING fitly framed together grows unto AN HOLY TEMPLE in the Lord: In Whom YE [that's us again] ALSO ARE BUILDED TOGETHER for an habitation of God through the Spirit" (Eph. 2:19:23).
The Lord of heaven and earth "dwells not in temples made with hands" (Acts 17:24). Where does God then dwell? Are you ready for this? This is heavy stuff!
"If a man love Me, He will keep My words: and my Father will love him, and WE [both Jesus Christ AND His Father] WILL COME UNTO HIM [this is US if we love God], AND MADE OUR ABODE [our home] WITH HIM" (John 14:23)! WOW!
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GOD’S MINISTERS ARE FLAMES OF FIRE
I showed you earlier that Jesus Christ is not only IN the lake of fire, He IS THE LAKE OF FIRE. He is the Divinity in this spiritual fire.
Ponder this:
Like Christ, we too are raised with a "SPIRITUAL body" (I Cor. 15:44).
We are in fact called, "the BODY of Christ" (Eph. 1:23).
We will literally "be LIKE Him [Christ]" (I John 3:2).
God will make us into "ministers [of] FLAMING FIRE" (Psalm 104:4).
We too then will be like our God, "a CONSUMING FIRE" (Heb. 12:29).
God promises us that, "…the saints shall JUDGE THE WORLD…" and "we shall JUDGE ANGELS" (I Cor. 6:2-3)!
God tells us WHERE this judgment will take place:
"…they were judged every man according to their works," and "whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE" (Rev. 20:13 & 15).
Therefore, we, the Saints, the Body of Christ, the consuming fire ministers of God, the saviours of Mt. Zion, the manifested Sons and Daughters of God, along with our Head, Jesus Christ, also ARE THE LAKE OF FIRE!
THERE IS NO LITERAL LAKE, AND THERE IS NO LITERAL FIRE. Jesus Christ and His Body of Saints ARE THE LAKE OF JUDGING, PURIFYING, CONSUMING SPIRITUAL FIRE!!!
The lake of fire is a metaphor written in symbols that stand for what is being symbolized, not the symbols themselves. The lake of fire is composed of Jesus Christ the Judge of the world, Christ’s divine spiritual fire and brimstone, and the Sons of God who are the body of Christ who are also FLAMES OF FIRE (Heb. 1:7).
And the whole world will be judged BY US! After death, all the dead will be resurrected, they will all be judged, they will have to pass through the purifying lake of fire, they will have to PASS THROUGH US! WE will be their judge along with our Lord.
"Know ye not that the SAINTS SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD?"
And so, the GREAT SEA OF HUMANITY will be judged in the safety and security of the LAKE OF SAINTS!
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The lake of fire is not in this age, it is in the next age, because it is symbolically formed by Christ and the elect, they are the lake, they are the temple, they are New Jerusalem - the kingdom coming down with Christ when He returns.
Rev 21:2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
The elect will judge the world by the consuming Holy Spirit/fire of God in them. Just like Christ represents the Father perfectly, we will represent Christ perfectly in the next age... it's all by/from God the Father.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on November 27, 2014, 03:33:04 AM ---We are all guilty and MUST die (spiritually)John 12:25
"all full blown sin leads to/is a death sentence.
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Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. We who died to sin, how shall we any longer live therein?
also did you mean ( carnal ) not ( spiritual )
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Rick on November 27, 2014, 09:47:31 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on November 27, 2014, 03:33:04 AM ---We are all guilty and MUST die (spiritually)John 12:25
"all full blown sin leads to/is a death sentence.
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Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. We who died to sin, how shall we any longer live therein?
also did you mean ( carnal ) not ( spiritual )
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No I meant all must die (to the flesh) ....our own understanding,CARNAL WAYS,AND THOUGHTS
otherwise one cannot live - spirit BEGETS spirit
rick:
Hello Ian,
Say, everyone has one issue or another in this life, so at the time of ones death, they will still have some issue remaining, now we know that when Christ returns those who are still alive on earth will still have some issue but will be change in the twinkling of and eye.
Does that change include losing any and all carnality and becoming completely spiritual , not that being completely spiritual means being sin free because we also know Satan is spiritual but has no righteousness in him.
Now if your answer is yes we lose all carnality but however we are sin free unlike Satan then Christ must have given those a new heart instantly and now no longer desires to sin.
Now that they have a new heart but are left with the memory of an experience of good and evil have now become the image of God.
Now look at Adam and Eve, they were completely carnal minded but had not really sinned until they stretch forth their hand and did eat from the tree of good and evil. My point is one can learn to do right but as long as we are carnal minded the potential to sin is always with us.
Unless God gives us a new heart it matter not how much we learn to do righteousness because again the potential to sin remains.
old heart = bad boy.....new heart = good boy
What do you say to these things.
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