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All sin leads to death and...
Ian 155:
You may or may not understand ....sin is carnality, which is death.It is Blasphemy to construe spirit with Flesh (carnal) interpretation.
Jesus said MY Words are SPIRIT and they are Life so any other interpretation of his word is DEATH.
By interpreting his words as physical/literal we bring him down to carnal level. Rom 10:6 and Gen 44v22
I believe that is why the miracle of sight is needed, so just as the blind man prayed, begged "open my eyes that i may see" we need to do likewise
In the case of those elected/chosen ? Yes... Now is the transformation/now is salvation albeit still a work in progress - Matt 16 vs 28.
Let me put it this way you cannot/ will not be able to resist the holy Spirit (those that are chosen), those not yet chosen ... remain "stiff necked"
Your thoughts will change you wont know how...your attitude, your way of living and you will not have a clue as to what happened (He gives his glory to no one, nor will you be able to boast in this work) then, looking back over what you have lived you will see why what and when all this happened. the concerns and things of this present world will become "strangely dim" (this is dying) I believe.
There are instances where I believe we can "grieve" the Holy Spirit...this will bring about conviction not condemnation.This is ,once again I believe, a sin not leading to death (as one is already dead to the things of this place)
Without Judging, I believe the "church" has got the cart before the horse so to speak, what they are saying and teaching re confessing the word and it coming to pass is truth, but they have not the power/authority to use the word, as the Spirit of truth has not been revealed in them yet so they are kinda "jumping the fence" instead of entering by the narrow gate.
Acts 19v15
This authority and the power of his resurrection, comes thru/by suffering and (dying)
Once again I don't know if Ray has spoken on these things, this is my testimony
Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on November 27, 2014, 05:04:33 PM ---Say, everyone has one issue or another in this life, so at the time of ones death, they will still have some issue remaining, now we know that when Christ returns those who are still alive on earth will still have some issue but will be change in the twinkling of and eye.
Does that change include losing any and all carnality and becoming completely spiritual , not that being completely spiritual means being sin free because we also know Satan is spiritual but has no righteousness in him.
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The elect upon resurrection will join Christ in the air... they will not fly up there, they will be born into the kingdom, changed and given glorious Spirit bodies "...that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6) and they will rise up to join with Christ, who is Spirit... think about how Christ was after His resurrection.
1Thess 4:17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
v. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten (guarantee/earnest 2Cor 1:22; 5:5 - promise Heb 9:15; 2Tim 1:1) us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
v. 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
To become "incorruptible" - that cannot be bribed; inflexibly, just and upright; and "undefiled" - pure at resurrection, then they will become one with God, they will no longer be subject to the flesh. That certainly means they will be completely spiritual and totally free from sin, that's the only way they could rule with Christ. That process has/must already start in this life, the elect are prepared now and will be ready for the first resurrection.
--- Quote from: Rick on November 27, 2014, 05:04:33 PM ---Now if your answer is yes we lose all carnality but however we are sin free unlike Satan then Christ must have given those a new heart instantly and now no longer desires to sin.
Now that they have a new heart but are left with the memory of an experience of good and evil have now become the image of God.
Now look at Adam and Eve, they were completely carnal minded but had not really sinned until they stretch forth their hand and did eat from the tree of good and evil. My point is one can learn to do right but as long as we are carnal minded the potential to sin is always with us.
Unless God gives us a new heart it matter not how much we learn to do righteousness because again the potential to sin remains.
old heart = bad boy.....new heart = good boy
What do you say to these things.
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Those that are begotten and given the promise/earnest/guarantee in this life, who have received the Spirit indwelling, will begin the process of becoming a new man/woman now. The Spirit indwelling circumcises heart and renews the spirit/mind/heart, so the person is most certainly changed into a new creature/creation (Gal 6:15).
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
Eph 4:23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
v. 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
When the Spirit is indwelling sin is no longer held against the elect, they belong to Christ (Gal 3:29; 2Cor 10:7). Though the elect are still in the flesh now and do sin, but it does not have dominion over them (Rom 6:14), and all their sins have already been covered by the sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
Col 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
v. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
v. 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
1John 2:12 I write to you, little children, Because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake.
Rom 4:7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;
v. 8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin."
1John 3:5 And ye know that He was manifested to take away sins; and in Him is no sin.
v.6 Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither knoweth Him.
v. 9 Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because His seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
Let's end with that.
Somehow I feel like I am being led through a maze in this thread. Seems to me to have started with a theological assumption and continued through several iterations of agenda. That's enough.
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