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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on January 15, 2015, 09:42:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on January 15, 2015, 09:19:48 PM ---Hi Micah,
The cherub are the same spirit beings who face the mercy seat on the ark patterned after that of the heavens.
Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Exodus 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make thecherubims on the two ends thereof
Now notice they do have wings:
Exodus 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of thecherubims be.
paul explains these things are patterned after the geavenly reality
Hebrew 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
There are many more verses with the cherubs including the tree of life which is protectdd by one.
God bless,
Alex
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Alex, what is a cherub? You say the word cherub easily, to qualify, well I have no idea what a cherub is, do you. I know it is important and must have power. It has meaning, deep meaning, but as far as I understand it has nothing to do with messengers(angels)it is very symbolic, to the ark, to the wheels, cherub has great importance. Like the seraphim, a fiery serpent, or fiery, which as well by some is acquainted to the cherub, what is it?
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Hi Micah,
I agree with you that they seem to carry tremendous spiritual significance and I am not wise enough to discern this matter because I have never studied it in detail. This is in fact the first time I have tried looking into the matter because of your original post.
I have found interesting verses regarding them and I do not claim to understand them but I will share them with you and may God lead us into the truth on the matter if it be His will.
Ezekiel 10
1 Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne.
2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.
3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.
4 Then the glory of the Lord went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the Lord's glory.
5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.
6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.
7 And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out.
8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings.
9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone.
10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel.
11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went.
12 And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had.
13 As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel.
14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.
15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.
16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.
17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.
18 Then the glory of the Lord departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims.
19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the Lord's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
20 This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims.
21 Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.
22 And the likeness of their faces was the same faces which I saw by the river of Chebar, their appearances and themselves: they went every one straight forward.
Ezekiel 1 gives a similar description as the above to some heavenly creatures but it does not call them cherubs.
When the ark was placed in the Jewish temple, statues of Cherubs were made for the inside of the temple to surround the ark.
I found these verses in Psalms too:
Psalms 80:1 Hear us, O Shepherd of Israel, you who lead Joseph like a flock; you who sit enthroned between the cherubim ...
Psalms 99:1 The LORD reigns, let the nations tremble; he sits enthroned between the cherubim, let the earth shake.
Again there is a lot to this stuff and maybe someone else here is more learned on this matter. I'm curious about it and will keep a watchful eye out for anything that could help in my understanding of the subject related to cherubs.
God bless,
Alex
dave:
My reasoning is that the word “angel” has created an entirely different meaning to what we read.
I will leave it at that and thanks for the responses.
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on January 15, 2015, 11:20:26 PM ---My reasoning is that the word “angel” has created an entirely different meaning to what we read.
I will leave it at that and thanks for the responses.
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Micah.
You should really read the links dave gave you and also the part that talks about angela in the "23 min. In hell" critic in the main page. You might change your views on the matter.
dave:
I have read 23 min. and lof 2&9 several times. Thanks. sorry I posted.
Kat:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on January 15, 2015, 06:43:23 PM ---
Gen 6:2 and sons of God see the daughters of men that they are fair, and they take to themselves women of all whom they have chosen.
These verses in Job and Genesis do raise questions, “sons of God” “sons of Elohim.” Also we know that Elohim is plural, so it is “sons of Gods or sons of elohims.”
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Hi Dave, I'll give you my take on these "sons of God" in Genesis. When Adam became known to the rest of the people in the world around him at that time, he must have talked to them of where he was from... and where was that? He was created by God Himself... and so what would those people have made of that? That Adam was a son of God, I would think. I also think that Adam's children may have also taken that same distinction that Adam had, that of sons of God. That is who I think is being spoken of in Genesis 6:2, actually the sons of Adam, who they may very well have been considered as gods. And then the 'daughters of men" would have been the people already living when Adam came about.
Here is an email that Ray talked about this.
http://bible-truths.com/email12.htm#angels --------------------------------
[Ray Replies]
Gen. 6 has absolutely NOTHING to do with "fallen angels." The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" is not speaking of mortals and spirit beings. This is just another one of Christendom's fables.
Jesus plainly told us that,
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God., For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage [why? why aren't they given in marriage? Answer....] ...but are AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven" (Matt. 22:30).
The angels CANNOT MARRY (they have no 'marriage apparatus' if you know what I mean). Yet we are told in Gen. 6:2, that "they took them WIVES of all which they chose." To have a "wife" one must be "MARRIED." The sons of God and the daughters of men are BOTH HUMAN.
I believe that verse 4 of Gen. 6 is a terrible translation in the King James. Since most translators have bought into the 'angels fornicating with women' theory, most of them have a very strange translation of this verse. There are whole words in this Hebrew verse that are not even translated at all in most versions.
Notice this translation from the Concordant Version:
"Now the DISTINGUISHED come to be in the earth in those days, and moreover, afterward, coming are those who are sons of God to the daughters of the human, and they bear for them. They are the MASTERS, who are from the eon, MORTALS with the name."
Sorry I don't have time to explain the meaning of all these verses, but at least I want you to know that this is not a case of angels fornicating with women.
God be with you,
Ray
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