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dave:
--- Quote from: Moises G. on January 15, 2015, 06:38:23 PM ---YOU CAN ALSO FIND MORE INFO ABOUT ANGELS AND DEFINITIONS ON THE 23MIN. IN HELL CRITIC PAPER.
I also think that people can't help but use their IMAGination, specially when it comes to bad spirits and the devil, if the scriptures never.describe how.a.demon looks like is because of a good reason--I don't think anybody has ever seen a demon. I would be very careful on basing my beliefs of the spiritual realm in others subjective experiences. I think Hollywood and the church had already mess up with our minds enough when it comes to spiritual beings.
If anyone can explain more in Jude 1:6 and 2Peter 2:4, I would appreciate it a lot...
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I think both verses are pretty clear. To me anyway.
Jud 1:6 Besides, messengers who keep not their own sovereignty, but leave their own habitation, He has kept in imperceptible bonds under gloom for the judging of the great day."
2Pe 2:4 For if God spares not sinning messengers, but thrusting them into the gloomy caverns of Tartarus, gives them up to be kept for chastening judging;"
For me and my understanding, those messengers, just as man has a choice when a cause or circumstance arises.....make their choice and HE stops, ceases their work. Man, who is being made in the image and likeness is given time to repent. Maybe my understanding is in
2Co 5:18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
2Co 5:19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation." I don't believe that the messengers fall into that realm. But that is just me.
dave:
I am not disputing the power, strength or mystery of the realm of messengers for good or bad. It just seems the word "angel" is a stigma as to the way man understands the purpose. I see the messengers as Jacob's ladder an escalator of instruction, up and down good and bad.....needed.
lilitalienboi16:
Hi Micah,
The cherub are the same spirit beings who face the mercy seat on the ark patterned after that of the heavens.
Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Exodus 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make thecherubims on the two ends thereof
Now notice they do have wings:
Exodus 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of thecherubims be.
paul explains these things are patterned after the geavenly reality
Hebrew 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
There are many more verses with the cherubs including the tree of life which is protectdd by one.
God bless,
Alex
dave:
Thanks
dave:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on January 15, 2015, 09:19:48 PM ---Hi Micah,
The cherub are the same spirit beings who face the mercy seat on the ark patterned after that of the heavens.
Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Exodus 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make thecherubims on the two ends thereof
Now notice they do have wings:
Exodus 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of thecherubims be.
paul explains these things are patterned after the geavenly reality
Hebrew 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
There are many more verses with the cherubs including the tree of life which is protectdd by one.
God bless,
Alex
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Alex, what is a cherub? You say the word cherub easily, to qualify, well I have no idea what a cherub is, do you. I know it is important and must have power. It has meaning, deep meaning, but as far as I understand it has nothing to do with messengers(angels)it is very symbolic, to the ark, to the wheels, cherub has great importance. Like the seraphim, a fiery serpent, or fiery, which as well by some is acquainted to the cherub, what is it?
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