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Kingdom of God - of the heavens
lurquer:
And I guess an obvious explanation for how mortals in the next age will no longer procreate is...they will be sterile. :-\
Kat:
Well Michael, this thought has occurred to me... if God turned it on (Libido), then He can turn it off, so to speak. It wouldn't be a hard thing for Him to do either. If He put it there when it was needed, He could take it away when it was no longer needed.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
Oh people, do give it a rest. Sex is not dirty or sinful.
God made them male and female.
There is a Scripture that tells us that the unseen can be known by what we see in the physical creation.
One of the most pervasive features among humans, animals, and even plant life is the concept of male and female (and shut your eyes and plug your ears------SEX :-[ )
We do not know for sure if there will be sex in the age to come; Scriptures are not definite either way.
I know some of you think there is one Scripture that says no sex after the Resurrection. However, you make the common mistake of using only one Scripture and not closely reading the words. Jesus said they would not marry after the age to come; He did not say that there would be no sex :-[.
Ray did an excellent study on marriage in which he showed that having sex is not a requirement to validate a marriage. Please read Ray's article carefully if you want to increase your Scriptural knowledge on the subject of marriage.
Further, Paul tells us we will have a spiritual body in the age to come. Like we have a physical body now, we will have a spiritual body then.
Paul also tells us that God will have sons and daughters.
Now follow this closely since some can't quite get it. To have sons and daughters means there will be sexual differences in the spiritual bodies we will have. Because if we don't have sexual differences then there will not be sons and daughters. We would be "its" without sexual differences.
Am I going too fast for anyone? (To borrow a much loved Ray expression.)
Now will there be sex in the age to come? I do not know since the Scriptures are silent on that point. But there is a Scripture that says, "At your right hand there will be pleasures evermore."
One thing I do know, there are many among us who do not follow the command of at least two Scriptures to support an opinion. The blind leading the blind.
lilitalienboi16:
Alright John well I believe this is another witness to the no marrying which would imply no sex.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Sex is a flesh and blood act. You are saying something along those lines will inherit the kingdom of heaven. I just can't see that. Sex is a carnal act. Even amongst husband and wife, it still involves lusting after the flesh.
Paul says that he wish all men could be like him but that nevertheless, marriage is not a sin, only that if you are married, it will be harder for you in life to overcome. Why do you think that is? Perhaps because part of a reltaionship with the wife involves the carnal act of sex and giving into that physical lust?
1 Cor 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
1 Cor 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1 Cor 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
1 Cor 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
1 Cor 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
1 Cor 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
1 Cor 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
1 Cor 7:33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, HOW HE MAY PLEASE HIS WIFE.
1 Cor 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy BOTH IN BODY and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, HOW SHE MAY PLEASE HER HUSBAND.
There is also a consumation of marriage John, which involves the sexual act. No marriage involves no consummation of it as well. No sex.
Also Christ did not have sex and He is our example. So you suppose when we overcome and become spiritual beings we will suddenly be having sex?
You rightly point out sons and daughters but you don't seem to recall:
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
So how do you reconcile no male or female in Christ? Do we ignore this verse and emphasize sons and daughters?
God bless,
Alex
John from Kentucky:
Hi Alex,
You're missing the mark on all the Scriptures you quoted.
I'm still at work. Gotta get home and get rested up. Kentucky basketball game tomorrow night. God's team is playing, and I must watch. (And yes, I can prove they're God's team :D )
But I'll show you where you're off on a few of your comments.
The Galatians 3:28 quote, God is not saying there won't be men and women in the Kingdom. Remember God's Word never contradicts. In 2nd Corinthians He says He will have sons and daughters. The Galatians Scripture is saying there will be no superiority of one over another. There is another Scripture that says God is no respecter of persons. A man or woman is equal in God's sight. He loves both His sons and daughters equally.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. Yes, that is true, but that doesn't specifically address the question of sexual differences. We cannot twist and read something into the Scriptures that is not there.
I don't get where you are coming from that husband and wife involves lusting after the flesh. So what? A husband and wife having sex is perfectly all right and is not sinful at all. God created it so. The marriage bed is undefiled. All lust is not sin, if it is permitted and blessed by God. Jesus greatly desired (the Greek word is lusted) to eat that final Passover with His Apostles. Jesus did not sin. Only unlawful desires, from the heart, are sins.
Jesus is God. He is in a state all His own. He had a unique special purpose. He is not equal to us. Therefore, things He did while on the Earth do not equate with us. For example, He was sinless---all of us are sinners. Jesus was the Creator God and Savior---we are the dust of the Earth. Get the point?
All the quotes of Paul relate to the specific factors affecting the Corinthian church. They don't specifically apply to us.
Also, I don't understand your point about consummation of marriage. If you study Ray' article on marriage, from the Scriptures, sexual consummation is not required to validate a marriage. Although just about everyone thinks it does, but everyone does not understand the Scriptures on that point. Read Ray's study if you want understanding on that point.
You're a bulldog Alex. Keep studying and thinking. Do not take any man's word on anything. God's Spirit will guide you to all Truth.
Remember the paramount Truths: 1) God does not lie, and 2) God's Word does not lie. There are no contradictions. But all Scriptures must be brought together to see the Truth on a matter. There is a Scripture that tells us what is true humility, it is one who trembles at God's Word.
Also, my favorite, "Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the Lord Almighty."
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