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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on February 09, 2015, 10:09:58 PM ---Hi Alex,
You're missing the mark on all the Scriptures you quoted.
I'm still at work. Gotta get home and get rested up. Kentucky basketball game tomorrow night. God's team is playing, and I must watch. (And yes, I can prove they're God's team :D )
But I'll show you where you're off on a few of your comments.
The Galatians 3:28 quote, God is not saying there won't be men and women in the Kingdom. Remember God's Word never contradicts. In 2nd Corinthians He says He will have sons and daughters. The Galatians Scripture is saying there will be no superiority of one over another. There is another Scripture that says God is no respecter of persons. A man or woman is equal in God's sight. He loves both His sons and daughters equally.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. Yes, that is true, but that doesn't specifically address the question of sexual differences. We cannot twist and read something into the Scriptures that is not there.
I don't get where you are coming from that husband and wife involves lusting after the flesh. So what? A husband and wife having sex is perfectly all right and is not sinful at all. God created it so. The marriage bed is undefiled. All lust is not sin, if it is permitted and blessed by God. Jesus greatly desired (the Greek word is lusted) to eat that final Passover with His Apostles. Jesus did not sin. Only unlawful desires, from the heart, are sins.
Jesus is God. He is in a state all His own. He had a unique special purpose. He is not equal to us. Therefore, things He did while on the Earth do not equate with us. For example, He was sinless---all of us are sinners. Jesus was the Creator God and Savior---we are the dust of the Earth. Get the point?
All the quotes of Paul relate to the specific factors affecting the Corinthian church. They don't specifically apply to us.
Also, I don't understand your point about consummation of marriage. If you study Ray' article on marriage, from the Scriptures, sexual consummation is not required to validate a marriage. Although just about everyone thinks it does, but everyone does not understand the Scriptures on that point. Read Ray's study if you want understanding on that point.
You're a bulldog Alex. Keep studying and thinking. Do not take any man's word on anything. God's Spirit will guide you to all Truth.
Remember the paramount Truths: 1) God does not lie, and 2) God's Word does not lie. There are no contradictions. But all Scriptures must be brought together to see the Truth on a matter. There is a Scripture that tells us what is true humility, it is one who trembles at God's Word.
Also, my favorite, "Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the Lord Almighty."
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Interesting response John. Thanks.
I concede that your understanding of Galatians makes sense.
My question for you again is: Paul seems to equate marriage as a sexual outlet for those who cannot control themselves. If sex is lawful in marriage and Christ says there will be no marriage, isn't the only lawful form of sex also done away with? Or is there another form of sex outside of marriage that is acceptable in God's eyes?
Do you understand what I'm saying?
God bless,
Alex
Mike Gagne:
Galatians 5:19 (KJV)
[19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,.... Colossians 3:5-6 (KJV)
[5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: ...... 1 Corinthians 6:9 (KJV)
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Romans 1:28-29 (KJV)
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Matthew 15:19-20 (KJV)
[19] For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: [20] These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Mark 7:21-23 (KJV)
[21] For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, [22] Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: [23] All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
1 John 2:15-16 (KJV)
[15] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. [16] For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Ephesians 5:3 (KJV)
[3] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; .....Romans 8:5 (KJV)
[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit...... Myself I don't think we will even have a desire for sex! I just don't see it. It's a carnal need....
Kat:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on February 09, 2015, 08:06:16 PM ---Now follow this closely since some can't quite get it. To have sons and daughters means there will be sexual differences in the spiritual bodies we will have. Because if we don't have sexual differences then there will not be sons and daughters. We would be "its" without sexual differences.
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Where did you come up with the idea that a person spiritual body would not retain the same sexual attributes, male or female, that they had when physical? This has not even been in question. But you sound so disturbed about the idea that there would not be sexual relations in the next age that you are beside yourself.
Luke 20:34 Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
v. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
It is a valid point that if there will be no marriage then there would be no sex. What is sex anyway if it is not lust of the flesh, the gratification of the flesh and that is a carnal desire.
1John 2:16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
1Peter 4:2 2 by no means still to spend the rest of his lifetime in the flesh in human desires, but in the will of God."
v. 3 For sufficient is the time which has passed by to have effected the intention of the nations, having gone on in wantonness, lusts, debauches, revelries, drinking bouts, and illicit idolatries, (CLV)
Gal 5:24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Rom 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
Kat, can you think of another lawful form of sex outside of marriage that is accepted by God? If not, and If marriage is done away with in the Kingdon of God as Christ said, wouldn't that eliminate the only lawful form of sex in God's eyes? Then wouldn't it be safe to reason that therefor there won't be any sex, atleast as we know it, in the coming age?
Unless, I suppose, God introduces a new lawful way outside of marriage for it to take place in the nnext age but now I'm completely and totally speculating with zero scripture here.
Mike Gagne:
Sex.... Its just not going to happen in the next age, sorry get over it now. It will have to go with every other carnal desire. You can't walk in the spirit minding the things of the flesh. The Lake of Fire will burn it right out! If Jesus is circumsizing your heart you will know that it has to go, it's of the flesh and the flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God. I know the work that is being done in my life and the lust of the flesh/sex has to go and I don't care what the flesh has to say about it...
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