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The Marriage Vow
Dave in Tenn:
Neo, I think Kat accurately answered the question you raised in the first post--assuming I got what the question was.
As to the rest, Paul said this to those "still carnal" Corinthians which goes into 'detail' above and beyond the simple commandment for these yet immature believers:
1Co 6:13-20 Food is for the belly; and the belly is for food; but God will bring them both to naught. But the body is not for whoredom, but for our Lord; and our Lord for the body. And God hath raised up our Lord; and he will raise us up, by his power.
Know ye not, that your bodies are the members of the Messiah? Shall one take a member of the Messiah, and make it the member of a harlot? Far be it. Or know ye not, that whoever joineth himself to a harlot, is one body [with her]? For it is said, They twain shall be one body. But he that joineth himself to our Lord, is with him one spirit.
Flee whoredom. For every [other] sin which a man committeth, is external to his body; but he that committeth whoredom, sinneth against his own body. Or know ye not, that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who abideth in you, whom ye have received from God? And ye are not your own. For ye are bought with a price. Therefore, glorify ye God, with your body, and with your spirit, which are God's.
I can add this, I think, with some confidence. Unlawful "fornication" may also require the participation of another who ALSO is sinning against his/her own body. That's NOT the law of Love.
Look at what Paul says here. Read ALL the words. This isn't 'code' for 'whoredom is OK'.
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You said, "I must produce evidence of a vow. What was the vow, and where is it now?"
I reckon if I were married, I'd know already what vow I had taken.
lilitalienboi16:
I want to add to what Dave said. Instead of trying to regurgitate what was said to me, I will share a message from a dear brother that I think is relevant here:
I quote:
"I also agree with JFK that it's good to remember that some of the circumstances of the Corinthian church may not apply to us. Paul wrote of a "present distress" (1 Cor. 7:26) which led him to believe it was better to not marry. But he also conceded he had "no commandment from the Lord" concerning the subject (7:25). The same Paul who advised the Corinthians not to marry also condemned those who "forbid to marry" (1 Tim. 4:3). This was written several years after 1 Corinthians. Maybe circumstances had changed (this letter was written to Timothy, not the Corinthian church), or maybe Paul changed his mind about the matter. Possibly in 1 Corinthians Paul thought Christ's return was imminent, but later on he realized it wasn't. Who knows?"
Here are those actual verses as mentioned above:
1 Cor 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
1 Cor 7:26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
Then later to Timothy he writes:
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Hope this helps.
God bless,
Alex
Ian 155:
Kat
Eve speaks of one tree Singular....
Gen 2:17 Yet from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you are not to be eating from it, for in the day you eat from it, to die shall you be dying.
this is A tree but represents 2 things i believe carnal and spiritual the Lust,lust and the pride is carnal or interpreted by our senses the Good Is the interpretation by the spirit and so is the war today carnal vs spiritual (this is what I am seeing ) I may not be fully enlightened on this yet
The tree of life is representative of Christ I believe I was referring to the tree in the midst
Paul was in Heaven.... full stop,
Marriage is spiritual as per Paul's writings on the "mystery"
do you know who are elect and who are not ?if so how
here is some of my language
As I am so are you...
You are a new creation the OLD has passed
As new born babes desire solid food ...dump the milk
When something is new what does that mean
Begotten a new, Resurrected, reborn,born again are one and the same... I believe
Did Paul walk in heaven ? because FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT.
yet he was living when he told us of a story 14 years earlier .
I am pointing out that one does not have to physically die to be resurrected and to walk in that power
I believe The Marriage is between Us and Christ in my mind that is the end of the story any other interpretation is carnal and does not profit anyone
Would you want to deny these young ones of their place seated with him above why would you prevent them believing that resurrection is for now, change is available now,A New creation a Royal priesthood... yea in the twinkling of an eye.
You are above not beneath,the head not the tail
NOW is the time ,now is the hour is not complicated?
Dont you want to know Him and the POWER of his resurrection?
Do you not see that to die to Lust of Flesh and lust of eye and Pride of life is for now?
Have you been scorned,mocked ,slapped,spat on?have you screamed why OH GOD have you forsaken me?have you been betrayed?do you have a broken heart?is your heart contrite?are you numb that you cover your mouth as did Job and don't know it all ?
then my word says If you have suffered with him You will reign with him,where does it say oh there's a catch... not now ,in some future non existent time where I cannot find the scripture.Who determines what the word "Will"' timeframe is ?
These are questions out of frustration ...either you walk in the spirit or I do
This is what you teach....
The elect have not physical or spiritual join and become one with Christ yet, not until the first resurrection. Yes there is the begettal/earnest/promise now with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but this is not born/joined/one with Christ now in this life, that is yet to come.
comment: not physically or spiritually Joined .... is he not the vine ? are we not the branches ? can we be cut off ?
2nd part
provide scripture and verse on the phrase "not born joined now in this life it is yet to come" 1 john 4 v17 disputes this,so do a few more
the below Scriptures you posted to me do not justify your teaching nor do they in anyway state yet or future time or anything like that. however let me say this may be because I am not as enlightened as you
John 3:3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born (begotten CLV) again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Well was Paul born again ??
John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Did Paul Go to the 3rd heaven ?
v. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
v. 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
This does certainly not indicate we are wind ? what about... the spirit moves us(just like wind moves us) we know not why, or where it will take us ? not even Christ went where he wished, he went where God sent him.
1Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again[/u] to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, read this again and again
v. 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, where is your heaven?
v. 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Any Idea when this last time Is
1John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. once again we know not how we will turn out no time given but neither is time given to when christ shows up in us/to us,can we be like him now ?
1Cor 13:12 for we see now through a mirror obscurely, and then face to face; now I know in part, and then I shall fully know, as also I was known; Do you know when the THEN is ?
Ian
Dave in Tenn:
Back at Alex. "Is is good for a man not to marry" EXCEPT...
Except when it IS good. Better to marry than to burn. Better to remain in whatever state (married or unmarried) you were in when you were called. Bad is bad. Worse is worse. Good is good. Better is better.
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Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Ian, you are out of your league and out of line.
tick tick tick tick.
Here's fair warning...I will remove any post in this thread that departs from the OP.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on February 12, 2015, 05:13:18 PM ---Back at Alex. "Is is good for a man not to marry" EXCEPT...
Except when it IS good. Better to marry than to burn. Better to remain in whatever state (married or unmarried) you were in when you were called. Bad is bad. Worse is worse. Good is good. Better is better.
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Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Ian, you are out of your league and out of line.
tick tick tick tick.
Here's fair warning...I will remove any post in this thread that departs from the OP.
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Yes Dave,
I agree, Paul was not expressly forbidding marriage in his writtings to the corinthians. He condemns those who do forbid it though. So ye, there is harmony in his writtings and I see that.
Just thought I'd add that there is wisdom in acknowledging Paul wrote of a "PRESENT distress" that was very specific to the corinthians though what he wrote was preserved for our admonishment too so of course we should read closely and understand.
God bless,
Alex
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