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Mike Gagne:
Hi Neo, Your Quote ; None of us here should NEED the law of the state to know what is the right thing to do. End of Quote. Yes Neo I agree and we could carry that over to wether or not we should go to a gay couples wedding!
:D R.P.J
Dave in Tenn:
"What marriage then is, or isn't, has nothing to do with "local customs" or "legally accepted practices", "requirements", or "traditions". It is what God says it is or it is nothing at all."
Neo, what Ray taught was that the WORD translated marry/married/a marriage in the bible referred to the act of GETTING MARRIED for people who were NOT YET MARRIED. That's the way we're born. There are other words which refer to the state of BEING married, that is being husband and wife.
So I'll ask you again. What do you tell a young couple (or older couple) who are not yet married if they want be get married according to the way God says, so that it might be not nothing at all.
lurquer:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 12, 2015, 10:47:02 PM ---
Neo, what Ray taught was that the WORD translated marry/married/a marriage in the bible referred to the act of GETTING MARRIED for people who were NOT YET MARRIED. That's the way we're born. There are other words which refer to the state of BEING married, that is being husband and wife.
--- End quote ---
Dave, forgive me; I know you are a smart man and don't want to debate you but I just don't get your point. I understand the difference between the act of "becoming" and the state of "being"... That the one leads to the other...cause and effect. People are certainly not born married; they GET married and then they ARE married. We agree.
I think I know what Ray taught on the subject (I've listened to it and studied it). "Marriage" is a "union". A very specific union described by God. I think we all here agree with that. HOW the union occurs is the point of contention. But whatever the process of "becoming married", the ultimate STATE of the union is the kernel. What have the couple become? And why? And did the State make this happen? Does the State define reality? I say they don't.
As I've said before, "marry" is just a word. It actually means "to unite". Then once united, you are United! It's not a holy word either. You can be "married to a harlot", says Paul... But, she is not your wife! Deep things, brother.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Neo on April 13, 2015, 01:44:32 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 12, 2015, 10:47:02 PM ---
Neo, what Ray taught was that the WORD translated marry/married/a marriage in the bible referred to the act of GETTING MARRIED for people who were NOT YET MARRIED. That's the way we're born. There are other words which refer to the state of BEING married, that is being husband and wife.
--- End quote ---
Dave, forgive me; I know you are a smart man and don't want to debate you but I just don't get your point. I understand the difference between the act of "becoming" and the state of "being"... That the one leads to the other...cause and effect. People are certainly not born married; they GET married and then they ARE married. We agree.
I think I know what Ray taught on the subject (I've listened to it and studied it). "Marriage" is a "union". A very specific union described by God. I think we all here agree with that. HOW the union occurs is the point of contention. But whatever the process of "becoming married", the ultimate STATE of the union is the kernel. What have the couple become? And why? And did the State make this happen? Does the State define reality? I say they don't.
As I've said before, "marry" is just a word. It actually means "to unite". Then once united, you are United! It's not a holy word either. You can be "married to a harlot", says Paul... But, she is not your wife! Deep things, brother.
--- End quote ---
Where are the two Scriptures where Paul teaches that, "You can be married to a harlot, but she is not your wife"?
I know a Scripture that says you can have sex with a prostitute and be one body, but nothing that says that action makes her a wife.
Jesus told the woman at the well that she had, had five husbands, and that the man she was living with was not her husband. Sex and living together does not a marriage make.
There is massive ignorance of the Scriptures. The only way to understand the Scriptures is through the Holy Spirit and only to those of a humble heart who tremble at the Word of God, as opposed to their own false understanding.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on April 13, 2015, 04:26:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Neo on April 13, 2015, 01:44:32 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 12, 2015, 10:47:02 PM ---
Neo, what Ray taught was that the WORD translated marry/married/a marriage in the bible referred to the act of GETTING MARRIED for people who were NOT YET MARRIED. That's the way we're born. There are other words which refer to the state of BEING married, that is being husband and wife.
--- End quote ---
Dave, forgive me; I know you are a smart man and don't want to debate you but I just don't get your point. I understand the difference between the act of "becoming" and the state of "being"... That the one leads to the other...cause and effect. People are certainly not born married; they GET married and then they ARE married. We agree.
I think I know what Ray taught on the subject (I've listened to it and studied it). "Marriage" is a "union". A very specific union described by God. I think we all here agree with that. HOW the union occurs is the point of contention. But whatever the process of "becoming married", the ultimate STATE of the union is the kernel. What have the couple become? And why? And did the State make this happen? Does the State define reality? I say they don't.
As I've said before, "marry" is just a word. It actually means "to unite". Then once united, you are United! It's not a holy word either. You can be "married to a harlot", says Paul... But, she is not your wife! Deep things, brother.
--- End quote ---
Where are the two Scriptures where Paul teaches that, "You can be married to a harlot, but she is not your wife"?
I know a Scripture that says you can have sex with a prostitute and be one body, but nothing that says that action makes her a wife.
Jesus told the woman at the well that she had, had five husbands, and that the man she was living with was not her husband. Sex and living together does not a marriage make.
There is massive ignorance of the Scriptures. The only way to understand the Scriptures is through the Holy Spirit and only to those of a humble heart who tremble at the Word of God, as opposed to their own false understanding.
--- End quote ---
I couldn't find that verse either that Neo was referencing but I did find the one about sex joins you to her body.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Paul makes clear only the marriage bed is undefiled. If sex a marriage makes, then paul made a big mistake not to include the "elopement" bed into the "undefiled" catagory as well. Seeing as an eloped couple prior to marriage can be considered husband and wife. Nevertheless, paul makes no mention of the elopement bed. It is pretty clear to me that lawful marriage only occurs through the exchanging of vows before witnesses to move a couple out of the "elopement" bed and into the "marriage" bed. Once a couple is married as defined by God (not gay marriage) then sex becomes lawful.
God bless,
Alex
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