Kat -
I agree with all that you have posted on this.
One of the things I was thinking of - goes back to when Ray asked I believe 'Harry' if we would ever see Our Father Face to Face - and I recollect that 'Harry' said he believed we will.
I was honing in to the fact that we are all being 'made into the image of God' - and ultimately we will all be like Jesus Christ. As Jesus Christ is the only one to see Our Heavenly Father, I was wondering that when God's Creation Plan to make us in His Image is complete - would we, then being like Jesus - actually see Our Father Face to Face.
Then again, as The Father and The Son are One - and all we know is always through Jesus Christ - we may see Jesus Face to Face but not Our Father.
Love, Peace and Joy to All.
George.
John 6:46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has
seen (G3708) the Father.
G3708 horaō - Properly to stare at (compare G3700), that is, (by implication) to discern clearly (physically or mentally); by extension to attend to; by Hebraism to experience; passively to appear: - behold, perceive, see, take heed.
Yes indeed we do have this Scripture from Christ... could the sense be that He "has seen" as in perceive/discern? Yet the word used there "seen" could certainly be there intentionally so as to allow for the deception that must be in this present age? Because we also have these Scripture as well.
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
Here is a passage from the conference 'What Is The Father's Will.'
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So let’s think about this a little bit,
who is the Father? In Him we live and breath and have our being. Liken the ocean to the Spirit of God, and liken us to the fish. The fish are 95% water, the ocean is in the fish, and the fish are in the ocean, get it.
A bird has very porous bones, because they have to be very light. It flies in the heavens, it breaths fast, because it needs strength and oxygen. So the air (which is like the Spirit of God, which is what he calls it in the NT, Greek word for spirit is pheuma), the expanse is even called heaven, where the bird flies, and liken the air to the Spirit of God. The bird has air in him and is flying through the air.
Now this is what the Scriptures say, we are in God and God is in us. So, get it out of your head that God is a man, sitting on a stone throne, like Abraham Lincoln in Washington D.C., an old man with gray hair. God is right here, it (Bible) says so, we have to just listen to the words.
God is Spirit, it also says God is invisible, you can’t see Him, not literally. We can see Him in Spirit, as in our heart, in our mind, our soul, our spirit, in our innermost being.
The thing that makes us different from plants and other animals, is we can see God. I’m trying to help you right now, to see God. So when you leave here, you will see God in a way you didn’t, when you walked in here. If God opens it up to you, I can only tell you, but God must open it up for you to grasp it.
God is here, not here because we are here, but He was here before we got here and He’ll still be after we leave. Because this desk is here and this desk has it's cohesion in Jesus Christ. It is through Jesus Christ that this desk holds together or it would fall apart. It takes energy and power, what is the source of the power, Jesus Christ, which comes from the Father and it’s passed off out of Him. One Father, one God, all and everything is out of Him. GOD IS ALMIGHTY!
What did Jesus say when He left His apostles and vanished out of their sight.
He said, “all power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth,” (Matt. 28:18).
That’s why He has come, He’s not the Father, but He’s God and He possesses all power in heaven and earth. By being the One, who possesses all power in heaven and earth, He is God. He didn’t have all power in heaven and earth from all eternity, it was given to Him. One God, everything is out of that God. We’re in Him and He’s in us, because He’s Spirit. Not a Spirit, in some geographical location. The reason God knows everything is in all places at all times, is because that’s where He is. He’s Spirit and He refers to Himself as Spirit. My Spirit is here, there and everywhere.
David was inspired to write, where can I go to get away from you God, up to heaven, down to sheol, (Psalms 139:7-12).
There’s no place I can go, where you are not. Why? God is Spirit, God is not a man, get that out of your head. He (God) tells us that, God is not a man... Jesus Christ is a man.
Where is God? EVERYWHERE!
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mercy, peace and love
Kat