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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Michael G on March 24, 2015, 09:03:41 AM --- Hi Alex, I edited my last comment in the very top line. I didn't make it clear on my thoughts.
In this Scripture it does not say, that satan is the god of this world!
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
In LRays lake of fire teachings he shows us that we all have done this, ( Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.) and the scriptures I showed give witness to this. I don't know in scripture where it says satan is a god?
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
Where do I do the things in the above scripture? I do them in the high and lofty places of my mind/heart against the god of this world.
I might get some heat for this one, but this is how I see it :) God Bless
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Well, becareful Micheal, satan is NOT the carnal mind. Where you do those things is in your mind. We are born with carnal minds. The carnal mind did not tempt eve in the garden. The carnal mind did not present itself before God and then tell God to test His servant Job.
As to the subject, I am willing to accept the ambiguity of 2 Cor 4:4 without another witness to clear it up. That is, another witness which declares satan as the "god of this world." That being said, I clearly see that he is a ruler of sorts and has been give tremendous power within limits to do what he was created to do (destroy). There are also rulerS of darkness in this domain that have power and which we wrestle against. Nevertheless, they are at the beck and call of God and are powerless without Him. As Jesus told pontious pilot:
John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
Either way, we know that the Lord's army is encamped around us and no harm can come to us unless it is by God's plan that we are to endure such things. To His glory and our benefit.
Kings 6:15-18 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them. And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
God is the God of the eons, all of them, and that includes this one. So if satan is given the title of "god of THIS world" for now than either way it changes nothing. If 2 Cor 4:4 isn't about him then it really changes nothing too in my opinion. Some verses are hard to understand and I will wait and pray on it. In God's time I believe He will give me certainty on the issue. I won't lose sleep over it though ;)
God bless,
Alex
Kat:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on March 24, 2015, 11:30:33 AM ---As to the subject, I am willing to accept the ambiguity of 2 Cor 4:4 without another witness to clear it up. That is, another witness which declares satan as the "god of this world." That being said, I clearly see that he is a ruler of sorts and has been give tremendous power within limits to do what he was created to do (destroy). There are also rulerS of darkness in this domain that have power and which we wrestle against. Nevertheless, they are at the beck and call of God and are powerless without Him.
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God is the God of the eons, all of them, and that includes this one.
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Hi Alex, this point may very well have merit. I have been searching and found these Scripture, that clearly identify the "only God."
1Tim 1:17 and to the King of the ages, the incorruptible, invisible, only wise God, is honour and glory--to the ages of the ages! Amen.
Rom 16:27 to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to him be glory to the ages. Amen.
It seems that 2 Cor 4:4 may be one of those Scripture that the great deceiver has used to get the world/church to call him god, and accomplished it quite well.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
Clearly identify Him as the only WISE God. All the words.
santgem:
God is the creator of the world and not the "god of the world" in this age.
Satan is the god of this world for his works influence the world’s religion, philosophies, banking, education, commerce, kingdom, etc. Under his control comes deception, lies and death.
You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God. Eph 2:2
Footnote:
* 2:2 Greek obeying the commander of the power of the air.
The time for judging this world has come, when Satan, the ruler of this world, will be cast out. Jhn 12:31
God causes Satan to operate in this world within the boundaries has set for him.
For he has rescued us from the kingdom of darkness and transferred us into the Kingdom of his dear Son, Col 1:13
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD Job 1:12
God tells us not to love the world;
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him 1Jo 2:15
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1Jo 2:16
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever 1Jo 2:17
Even Jesus not praying to the world which is the unbelievers but the believers.
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. Jhn 17:9
But we know Jesus kingdom is not of this world.
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Jhn 18:36
Jesus continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not. Jhn 8:23
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:14
God prepares believers a kingdom not of this age, but even prepared it before the foundation of the world.
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. Mat 25:34
And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return Luk 19:12-13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Dan 7:13-14
CONCLUSION:
The Scriptures says that Satan is the "god of this world," is not implying that he has final or the total authority but it is explaining us the idea that Satan rules over the unbelieving world in this age and in this present world. The unbeliever follows Satan's task that God has causes him "The god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ." Prince of this world’s plot includes promoting false religion and lies in the world and blind the unbeliever to the truth of the Gospel. Satan’s works are his foods in which people are imprisoned, and they must be set free by our savior Jesus Christ.
Kat:
2Co 4:4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
Clearly this verse is open for interpretation... as Alex pointed out that it being not capitalized was determined by the translators. There is a Scripture that says who it is that "blinds."
John 12:40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, so that they should not see with their eyes nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."
v. 41 These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
Maybe other translations of the verses I gave is needed to consider what is being said.
Rom 16:27 to the only, and wise God, through Christ Jesus, be glory for the eons of the eons. Amen!" (CLV)
Rom 16:27 Unto a God, wise alone, through Jesus Christ, unto whom be the glory, unto the ages. Amen. (Rotherham)
Rom 16:27 to God only wise be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen. (MKJV)
1Tim 1:17 Now to the King of the eons, the incorruptible, invisible, only, and wise God, be honor and glory for the eons of the eons! Amen!" (CLV)
1Tim 1:17 Now, unto the King of the ages,—incorruptible, invisible, alone God, be honour and glory, unto the ages of ages, Amen! (Rotherham)
1Ti 1:17 Now to the King Eternal—the immortal, invisible, and only God—be honor and glory forever and ever! Amen. (ISV)
1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. (ASV)
So make of this what you will.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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