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Dave in Tenn:
Well, far be it from me to infringe on the division of labor between satan and God. ;)
"We've" tried to show you what a "god" is, according to scripture.
I wish it were so easy as finding two "verses" which say the exact same thing. But scripture is spiritually discerned...and I'm not talking about eerie synth music playing while we're seeking to 'discern' it. Is there another "verse" that says "god is the belly"? Not that I know of, but was Paul lying? There are multiple witnesses which name satan (or his many nicknames, aliases, and/or ministers) as "gods" of this age. John posted quite a few.
You're looking to identify which 'god' blinds. But to US, there is ONE GOD. Maybe you're looking to see a difference between "blinding" and "deceiving". Maybe there is, maybe not-so-much. But "deceiving" is not in this verse.
Kat:
Exo 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.
Exo 22:20 "He who sacrifices to any god, except to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Deu 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, lest your heart be deceived, and you turn aside and serve other gods and worship them,
God knew that people would worship all manners of idols and He warned against it and commanded that we should not do so. But of course the carnality in people cannot resist the tendency to aggrandize and exalt 'things' and Satan has certainly taken advantage of that and has made himself the god of this world. If you are thinking Satan would need to have power/authority to be considered the god to this world, he does, here is what Christ spoke to Paul about his conversion and commission.
Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power (G1849) of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'
G1849 exousia - privilege, that is, (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence: - authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.
The church worship Satan and think they are worshiping the one true God, they do not know the true God, they are in darkness, Satan is the only god they know. Only a very few are so blessed to have been brought out of that darkness.
Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.
v. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
Alright, well, If the multitude of counsolers feels that this verse is certainly a reference to satan then I will relent and consider that satan blinds as much as God has the power to use him to do so. That makes sense to me.
Proverbs 11:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.
Proverbs 24:6 For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety.
God bless brothers and sisters and thank you for the very engaging and fruitful discussion. I feel my faith has certainly increased by searching these things out.
Love,
Alex
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 26, 2015, 08:14:49 PM ---
Exo 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.
Exo 22:20 "He who sacrifices to any god, except to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Deu 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, lest your heart be deceived, and you turn aside and serve other gods and worship them,
God knew that people would worship all manners of idols and He warned against it and commanded that we should not do so. But of course the carnality in people cannot resist the tendency to aggrandize and exalt 'things' and Satan has certainly taken advantage of that and has made himself the god of this world. If you are thinking Satan would need to have power/authority to be considered the god to this world, he does, here is what Christ spoke to Paul about his conversion and commission.
Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power (G1849) of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'
G1849 exousia - privilege, that is, (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence: - authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.
The church worship Satan and think they are worshiping the one true God, they do not know the true God, they are in darkness, Satan is the only god they know. Only a very few are so blessed to have been brought out of that darkness.
Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.
v. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Bingo!
Mike Gagne:
Hi Alex, heres what LRay said in 9 chapter of lake of fire:
Notice that it was the spirit of God that led Jesus to be tempted of the devil. Can we not see that Satan serves a needful purpose in God’s plan? It was absolutely needful that Satan tempt Jesus. If it weren’t needful, God wouldn’t have done it! And so Satan tried to bribe Christ into worshiping him:
"Again, the DEVIL takes Him up into an exceeding high mountain, and shows Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; and says to Him, All these things will I give You, if You will fall down and worship me" "Matt. 4:8-9).
Let’s notice a few things overlooked by most Sunday school teachers (and most of the world’s greatest theologians as well). Ready? Are you sure? Okay, here goes: ALL THE NATIONS OF THE ENTIRE WORLD BELONG TO SATAN THE DEVIL!!! Heaven and Earth are God’s possessions, however, God has delegated the nations to Satan. Satan could not offer all these kingdoms of the world to Jesus if he did not possess them to offer them in the first place. They are Satan’s ignorant kingdoms:
"In whom the god [SATAN] of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the Image of God, should shine unto them" (II Cor. 4:4).
Oh, that the Church would believe the Scriptures. Why are there billions who "believe not" in the world? Is it because they CHOOSE to believe not? That’s what well-intentioned Christians tell me all the time. "Ray! these people CHOOSE to go to hell." How, pray tell, can they "choose" to go to hell, when they "believe NOT" in the first place. They don’t "make a choice," the choice is made for them, because they "believe not." And JUST WHY do they "believe not?"
Will you insist on the Church’s answer or will you humbly accept God’s answer? "In whom the God of this world has BLINDED the minds of them that believe NOT…" That’s why they can’t "see" to make the right choice—THEY ARE BLIND!
Now then, what would happen if God were to REMOVE that Satanic blindness? Would they STILL choose to reject Jesus Christ and His gospel? We don’t need to speculate, let’s read it:
"In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, LEST the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, SHOULD SHINE UNTO THEM" (II Cor. 4:4).
When the deception is taken away, people will understand. When the blindness is taking away, people will see the truth.
Next, notice what Jesus Himself says would happen if this Satanic blindness were removed:
"For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed [Why? Why are their eyes ‘closed?’ Because, "the god of this world has BLINDED… them…" That’s why] lest at ANY TIME they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should BE CONVERTED, and I should HEAL them" (Matt. 13:15).
This is not rocket science. When Satan blinds the minds of people, they "believe NOT." And they cannot repent, be converted, or saved until the blindness is lifted and they are given a knowledge of the Truth. But is it God’s will that such a thing will ever happen?
end of qoute.
Thats why I look for a scripture to say what the world was, like Lray said everything in Heaven and Earth is Gods possession. And thats why I see satan as the god os this world
Like LRay taught
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
And then Jesus unblinds them...
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
God Bless
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