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Mike Gagne:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 05, 2015, 08:25:37 PM ---Look, if Alex is allowed his fantasy about a hypothetical opportunity to attend a "gay wedding" then I am also. No, I have already said (in so many words) that I don't necessarily see a 1:1 correlation between attending an event and condoning an entire lifestyle. I'm just not that important. And I don't place the emphasis on 'symbolism' or 'appearances' that some seem to. I leave the 'demonstrations' to the Westboro Baptist Church folk. If you have a different message (and I know you do) deliver it...but in person and not to the choir.
My apologies to all the mothers of the brides who have worked and spent to assume me to be a part of the ceremony. I didn't 'think' or 'feel' the way they wanted me too, I guess. They wasted their money and labor on me, at any rate. I hope SOMEBODY felt and thought 'right'.
Jesus left genuine glory to come and die as a man...and not just any old death. If I'm to follow Him, SOMETIMES, I might have to leave my illusory high-horse and minister to sinners. God has THEM where He wants them, too...with an eye towards what is NOT YET, as though it were. Yes, I know what's next--but DAVE, attending the wedding is not 'ministering', it's endorsing! Maybe yes...maybe no. That's for me to decide when and if a decision needs to be made. All my plans are folly, anyway. I'll do what He says I will do. And so will you. And then our works are judged, whether they be good works or bad works. Wisdom is justified of her children. Good is refined...bad is removed.
I'll tack this on. Thirty or forty years ago, the "gay lifestyle" was often marked by anonymous sex with multiple partners. To many, that's what being "gay" meant...even among gays. Then came HIV and a massive rethinking. These days, the visible 'gay agenda' is seeking the right to be married. Wow.
Wood and Hay are better than stubble, even though they all burn. What does that tell me (besides this world really IS upside-down)? It tells me God is able to judge the world rightly even in this wicked age. That builds my faith for a future when He reigns.
And then this: I have never claimed to be 'worthy' of helping to moderate this web-forum. Indeed, I started out my time at it confessing my unworthiness. My opinion hasn't changed. I serve at Dennis' pleasure...you know, the Dennis who said you posted wise words. We'll straighten this out, me and him.
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Well said Dave, I agree totally with your comment... When the time comes the wood ,hay and stubble will be burned away and the gold and silver will be made more pure! Thats just the way it will be...
R.P.J
octoberose:
I have spent the weekend taking care of my 14 mo. old twin grandsons while my daughter and SIL have a weekend together and am flying home in the early morning. In between watching the boys I've been reading, writing and thinking about this post.
As you know this is not much of a hypothetical for me. Please know, I love my son just the way he is right now. I'm not waiting for something to change to fully love him as a mother should. We are still supporting him financially ( probably more then we should) but since we finished paying tuition he has stopped communicating with us. It's breaking my heart- I write him and send him things but for the first time in his life he's completely silent.
The young men I have known who are Christ followers and homosexual in their past relationships- one on this forum and one on another- have been kind, thoughtful, and very
considerate to me because of my son and my sadness. I realized that it wasn't that I wanted Nathan to stop being 'gay', its that I hoped that he would know Christ the way these brothers do. I only know a little about their current struggle but I know they do struggle and I know they love the Lord and have shown great maturity. They really have to hunger for the bread of life and not what the world tells them they can have, and I have seen that in them. I truly believe God will reward them greatly for seeking Him and denying self.
What struck a chord with me is that the days before Alex posted I told God I was betting everything on Him and what I believe He requires. Because you see, if I called up Nathan and said, " your dad and I have had a change of heart and we now believe who you want to be with is just fine with us and we are sorry for expressing anything other than full acceptance in your lifestyle" - well, if we did that I'm pretty sure he would be back in our lives pretty quickly. But I cannot do that because my child is not my God, my God is my God. If I could believe any other way I would do it, but I cannot. ( Do not misunderstand me- our door has always been open to him )
Gina, I was hoping you would weigh in. You stated what we both believe with incredible thoughtfulness and wisdom and I am very grateful. One day we shall be restored with our children fully and He will be all in all. That is the best news I can possibly imagine. They will be healed of their afflictions and we shall be healed of ours. What a glory day that will truly be!
I don't know what else to say other than this forum is important to me. I came here over 5 years ago not knowing anything. You taught me everything . Ray listened to me despite my pretty foolish questions. My life was utterly changed because some of you took the time and all the effort to tell the true gospel of Christ. And that has made all the difference.
santgem:
sometimes we need to understand all the context of the Chapters and not to chop-chop it and give another meanings.
When reading Scriptures you have to digest the totality of the thought, getting one line does not explain the whole chapter. That's what i learned and i thank Ray for that.
Suppose i get the line "If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning"
Then it will suggest that if you attend gay wedding and you know that is not right then you sinned;
Or, if you are believers of Christ and you know that marrying same sex is not right and still you do it then again you sinned.
What i am saying is that the verse below when taken chop-chop will contradict each.
"Blessed are those who don't feel guilty for doing something they have decided is right"
VS
If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning
Please read the essence of this Chapter, there are hidden meanings on this chapter not only eating and drinking..........For those offended my apologies.
For clarification only.
whyte baer:
I have been reading BT since around 2001. I have had a lot of old doctrine that I once believed go to the wayside.
I started writing a book about how everyone should not make assumptions, but I erased it. If I sound a little angry or sarcastic, I sincerely apologise. I am not trying to make waves, but just give you a different angle from someone who is on both sides of this ....So here are my questions about going to a "gay marriage":
1. How about if it was someone who was divorced? ( not 'biblical')
Divorced two or three times?
2. How about if it was a couple who had "lived together" before they go married?
3. How about the guy is 55 and the girl is 21?
4. Why do people assume that all gay people are like those idiots on the street during their parades?
5. Why do people assume all gays are just doing it for sex? (Sex has as much importance in a gay relationship as a straight one. You know,"wow!" at first, then "mmm, let's wait until next weekend",
then, "has it really been 2 months?"
6. Why is it assumed all gays are heathens that need to be changed?
7. Do you think all gay people approve of "gay marriage"?
8. Do you believe "God hates fags"?
The reality of the average God believing 'gay' person is that they spend most of their lives having to hide the truth from everyone they love, and hate and loath themselves for something they sincerely want to NOT BE, but after a few years comes the sad realization that it's not going to go away.
They want to be normal so badly, they marry the opposite sex to keep everyone from knowing their secret.
They then have a few kids, then realize they can't hide how they are inside.Then the destruction begins...
Some kill themselves because they can't deal with their parents, or spouses, or believe that God cares at all.
Why do I know this?
I have spent 20 years of my life trying to be straight. I prayed, I went to counseling (Christian and secular)
prayed on my knees and on my face for HOURS.
Acts 2:1
If we can't fellowship with believers, where do we go?
I sincerely love you all.
Nita, aka whyte baer
P.s. No pagan holidays celebrated here....
lurquer:
You know, Nita, all of us "need to be changed" not just homosexuals. But a large force in that "change" is in first acknowledging things for what they are. Sin must first be called sin before it can be dealt with (remember the purpose of the Law? "that I would not have known sin..")
There are no such things as "gays". There are only people--all born sinners (all of us)--who have different propensities for sin. Your 'unnatural desire' becomes sin when acted upon. As Jesus said, you can even "lust in your heart". That too is sin. But acting on it is worse. Because now you've entangled your OWN body, and another's in sin which will cause a permanent human malfunction (in this life).
A lot of our cultural problems (which obviously stain us believers) result from people refusing to call things what they are. This is an especially acute sickness in the U.S. We're all too busy trying to excuse our individual and collective sins to see where God may be pointing a way out. There will be a consequence for this. It will not be pleasant. You may continue to struggle with the sin of homosexual thoughts and behaviors, but you will never be free of them until you first learn to hate the sin... (Ray said that). And calling it what it is is the first step. It is not "gayness" (a perfectly good word which has been permanently corrupted), it is sin. The behavior that results--homosexual fornication--is particularly loathsome. That is why so many homosexuals loathe themselves.
God can and will give us ALL repentance, AND cleansing, in due time. But the process will always be the same...acknowledgement of sin, a loathing of the sin, and then freedom from and cleansing of. SO many are still stuck in the acknowledgement phase that all of society is now lost in a negative feedback loop---circling the drain...awaiting God's judgement to fall. And all the while calling it a "blessing".
That is the essence of the problem of "gay marriage". True followers of Christ should be the first to stand up and say, "it is sin, and we will have no part of it". Instead, most excuse it with "judge not!" as a cover for their own guilt in not first judging ourselves.
No, Nita, God does not "hate fags". But "fags" will not be in the Kingdom of God. Neither will "the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, [who] shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Rev 21:eight).
I may be among those "outside the gates" in the Lake of Fire, if that is God's intent, but at least I will understand why I am there.
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