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Gay Weddings
Gina:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 05, 2015, 05:58:45 PM ---Gina, since you quoted lauriellen in your post, I assumed (wrongly?...don't know) you were speaking to/about her. To assume one who would hypothecially consider hypothetically attend a "gay wedding" is not struggling with that decision is wrong...or certainly MAY be wrong. After all there have been statements in this thread that 'assume' anybody who would dare make such a decision is just "up and going" like it was just another Tuesday and there was nothing good on TV.
Ignore the rest of my post, if you need to. That's just the tip of the iceberg of this "struggle". I don't know how always to live in this world without being OF it. Neither do you. I assure you there are "prophets of God" who would condemn every moment of your life. If I "judge" you as one of "this generation" who complains that us pesky other people are just not doing right, then understand of my own self I can do nothing as well.
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Dave, you know where to draw the line in this forum, but you don't know that attending a gay wedding is condoning gay marriage, something God detests?
Again, I'm not saying we're to hate these people, insult them, boycott, whatever. But did you not read the link I posted where the young woman was raised by lesbians and felt cheated out of a father because men were not welcomed and she herself opposes gay marriage and wrote a letter, and OPEN letter, upbraiding her mother and her lesbian mother's wife?
And you're going to tell me that after reading that letter that it didn't affect you in any way?
Do you not know that if you were to support gays and lesbians in marriage and their relationships by attending and affirming their marriage that you would be HURTING them further and denying them?
Do you seriously expect me to believe that you can moderate this forum one day and attend a gay wedding the next without even a twinge of guilt?
Do you not understand with the wisdom that you've been given here by Ray and by God that you would not be helping the gays and lesbians AT ALL if you did that? On the contrary, you would be HURTING them because you would be entering in to a LIE with THEM.
Whatever I may do or have done that I should be judged for is a red herring. Is that what this topic is about? Nice try though!
If the things I say offends you, I'm sorry.
rick:
Great thread Alex, I think we all learned something about ourselves as well as others through this thread you started. ;D
Perhaps the parable of Jesus might shine through to our reasoning as a result of this thread when Christ said ( take the log out of your own eye first before removing the speck in your brothers eye. )
Who was that cartoon character that said ( oh, what a terrible web we weave for ourselves ) how true that statement is, I thank God through Jesus that He will one day undo that terrible web that each and everyone of us weaves in our everyday life.
God Bless you all and in dealing with anyone be it gay people or not let us never forget the tender mercies God has show us and pass the love on. :)
Dave in Tenn:
Look, if Alex is allowed his fantasy about a hypothetical opportunity to attend a "gay wedding" then I am also. No, I have already said (in so many words) that I don't necessarily see a 1:1 correlation between attending an event and condoning an entire lifestyle. I'm just not that important. And I don't place the emphasis on 'symbolism' or 'appearances' that some seem to. I leave the 'demonstrations' to the Westboro Baptist Church folk. If you have a different message (and I know you do) deliver it...but in person and not to the choir.
My apologies to all the mothers of the brides who have worked and spent to assume me to be a part of the ceremony. I didn't 'think' or 'feel' the way they wanted me too, I guess. They wasted their money and labor on me, at any rate. I hope SOMEBODY felt and thought 'right'.
Jesus left genuine glory to come and die as a man...and not just any old death. If I'm to follow Him, SOMETIMES, I might have to leave my illusory high-horse and minister to sinners. God has THEM where He wants them, too...with an eye towards what is NOT YET, as though it were. Yes, I know what's next--but DAVE, attending the wedding is not 'ministering', it's endorsing! Maybe yes...maybe no. That's for me to decide when and if a decision needs to be made. All my plans are folly, anyway. I'll do what He says I will do. And so will you. And then our works are judged, whether they be good works or bad works. Wisdom is justified of her children. Good is refined...bad is removed.
I'll tack this on. Thirty or forty years ago, the "gay lifestyle" was often marked by anonymous sex with multiple partners. To many, that's what being "gay" meant...even among gays. Then came HIV and a massive rethinking. These days, the visible 'gay agenda' is seeking the right to be married. Wow.
Wood and Hay are better than stubble, even though they all burn. What does that tell me (besides this world really IS upside-down)? It tells me God is able to judge the world rightly even in this wicked age. That builds my faith for a future when He reigns.
And then this: I have never claimed to be 'worthy' of helping to moderate this web-forum. Indeed, I started out my time at it confessing my unworthiness. My opinion hasn't changed. I serve at Dennis' pleasure...you know, the Dennis who said you posted wise words. We'll straighten this out, me and him.
lauriellen:
Dave, you are doing a great job and I highly respect your opinion. Your Godly wisdom & humble spirit are very evident in your words and I appreciate the job you are doing.
Gina:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 05, 2015, 08:25:37 PM ---Look, if Alex is allowed his fantasy about a hypothetical opportunity to attend a "gay wedding" then I am also. No, I have already said (in so many words) that I don't necessarily see a 1:1 correlation between attending an event and condoning an entire lifestyle. I'm just not that important. And I don't place the emphasis on 'symbolism' or 'appearances' that some seem to. I leave the 'demonstrations' to the Westboro Baptist Church folk. If you have a different message (and I know you do) deliver it...but in person and not to the choir.
My apologies to all the mothers of the brides who have worked and spent to assume me to be a part of the ceremony. I didn't 'think' or 'feel' the way they wanted me too, I guess. They wasted their money and labor on me, at any rate. I hope SOMEBODY felt and thought 'right'.
Jesus left genuine glory to come and die as a man...and not just any old death. If I'm to follow Him, SOMETIMES, I might have to leave my illusory high-horse and minister to sinners. God has THEM where He wants them, too...with an eye towards what is NOT YET, as though it were. Yes, I know what's next--but DAVE, attending the wedding is not 'ministering', it's endorsing! Maybe yes...maybe no. That's for me to decide when and if a decision needs to be made. All my plans are folly, anyway. I'll do what He says I will do. And so will you. And then our works are judged, whether they be good works or bad works. Wisdom is justified of her children. Good is refined...bad is removed.
I'll tack this on. Thirty or forty years ago, the "gay lifestyle" was often marked by anonymous sex with multiple partners. To many, that's what being "gay" meant...even among gays. Then came HIV and a massive rethinking. These days, the visible 'gay agenda' is seeking the right to be married. Wow.
Wood and Hay are better than stubble, even though they all burn. What does that tell me (besides this world really IS upside-down)? It tells me God is able to judge the world rightly even in this wicked age. That builds my faith for a future when He reigns.
And then this: I have never claimed to be 'worthy' of helping to moderate this web-forum. Indeed, I started out my time at it confessing my unworthiness. My opinion hasn't changed. I serve at Dennis' pleasure...you know, the Dennis who said you posted wise words. We'll straighten this out, me and him.
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Dave,
I appreciate that you care about the homosexual community but ministering to them and attending weddings are two entirely different things. I wouldn't condemn someone who attended a wedding, but please, please, leave Westboro Baptist Church out of this. You seem to be so worried that you're going to offend a group of people going in the wrong direction, that you'd turn on those who stand up for what they know is right. No one here is saying to picket them. Give me a break.
But if gays are struggling with their sin, why would you think it okay to be in fellowship with them in that way, even if all this is hypothetical? Aren't you sending them mixed messages? I think it's admirable that you care, but I just think when you care so much that you can't say no, gracefully, to a wedding invitation, well, you know what I mean.
I'll leave it at this and go on my way. This man ministers to the gay community. Maybe it will be of some help:
https://youtu.be/EahmmQzZWXA (Part 1)
https://youtu.be/WtbI5YH34-0 (Part 2)
(I realize that minister does believe in "free-will" and that there is a "hell," but he's where God has him at present, as you say, and he obviously has compassion, even if he is a little off track in regards to those two things. If you could possibly overlook that for the sake of this thread, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Goodnight all. :) )
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