Rick. After all the gays round up all the Christians and put them in concentration camps and gas them and burn them in ovens and starve them to death.. And then years later these gays come asking a Christian baker to bake them a cake so they can celebrate the time when they murdered 6 million Christians... Then you will be correct in saying it's the same.
Ibob..
Didn't our God tell us how to be in the world with our enemies without being of the world? Didn't He say.. If our enemy (a gay person) strikes us on the cheek we should offer the other also, and if our enemy (a gay person) wants our jacket we should give him our shirt too, and if our enemy (a gay person) wants us to go one mile we should go two?
Do we suppose that baking a cake for our enemy is where God draws the line? So we should let a gay person slap us and not only that, but after they slap us we should offer the other cheek, we should give him or her the shirt off our back, but whatever you do, DONT bake them a cake.
Hey guys let's also not forget that God said its abominable thing in Gods eyes to eat shell fish. And then later said that it's okay as long as you give thanks, yes?
There's too many thou shalts and thou shall nots for my little pea brain to keep track of.. Maybe that's why Christ said all the laws, all the thou shalts and thou shall nots can be summed up with, love your God and love your neighbor as yourself. Im inclined to believe there are lots of gay couples who do not see how marrying their gay lover is violating this law of Christ which sums up all laws. You or I may see it as a violation.. But what business is it of mine what my neighbor does with his life? Just because he wants me to bake him a cake doesn't all of the sudden make his lifestyle my business. My business ends at baking the cake. Why should I judge the servant of another? Hes not my servant and I am not his god or master. To his own master will he rise or fall.
Hi Largeli,
You can't really use the excuse that there are many "thou shalts" as a reason to not see homosexuality for what it is. An abomination to God.
Christ blotted out the handwriting ordinance on the cross which was contrary to us. The "thou shalt not eat shell fish," etc... commandments. So no, he didn't really say, "thou shalt not eat" and then "well its okay as long as you bless it." The handwriting ordinances served a purpose for the wandering Jews as they travelled from one land to another.
Colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and too it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"
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Dear Andrew:
My paper on homosexuality being a sin was not based on Leviticus
of the Old Testament Law, but mostly on Romans 1 of the New Testament. And in
Rom. 1 and other places in the New Testament that I referenced and went into great
detail, homosexuality is most certainly a gross sin.
Arguing over shell fish will hardly
justify acts of homosexuality. My paper covers the subject more thoroughly than any
book ever written on the subject as far as I am concerned. There is NOTHING that
can be Scripturally brought up against my paper, because my paper is based on
the Scriptures for New Testament Believers.
God be with you,
Ray
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Homosexuality is still very much a sin and condemned in the new testatement.
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators [Gk: paramours], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [Gk: catamites], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [Gk: sodomites] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).
sodomites (King James, 'abusers of themselves with mankind'-Strong's #733 arsenokoites "a sodomite, defile self with mankind."
The elements of the Greek word arsenokoites are "male-lier"-A male who lies with a male. "Male bed partners"--Wycliffe Bible Dictionary
Be not deceived, neither ...effeminate [Gk: malakos-catamite/boy with man sex] shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold [back] the truth in unrighteousness... Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves... For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And
likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which is meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that
they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" (Rom. 1:18, 24, 26-32).
Christian homosexuals who don't see the sin in marrying one another don't see it because they don't want to see it.
Matthew 19:3-6
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning
made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall
a man leave father and mother, and
shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
A man leaves his parents and cleaves to HIS WIFE, NOT his husband. It was decreed by God to be this way from the beginning.
"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication [Gk: porneia], let
every man have
his own wife, and let
every woman have her own
husband" (I Cor. 7:2).
Not really any room in there for every man having his own husband or every woman having her own wife to avoid fornicating.
Ray covers this and much more in his paper (
http://bible-truths.com/homosex.htm).
If you love God then you will desire to obey Him. Why do you call me Lord and do not the things that I say?
"Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are His. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity" (II Tim. 2:19).
We all have our sins we struggle with and only God can save. But let us be honest amongst ourselves and with ourselves about sin. It is something that we strive to overcome and not something we celebrate or make excuses for.
You can still Agape your enemies/neighbors without making excuses or justifications for their sin.
I agree that our business ends with them at baking the cake.
God bless,
Alex