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Dave in Tenn:
A few other things also worth considering while 'thinking on these'.
He also sent nations against the children of Israel. They too suffered evils.
WE struggle NOT against flesh and blood. Eph_6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
And the 'weapons' of OUR warfare are not the weapons of their warfare. 2Co 10:3-4 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
John from Kentucky:
The blue letter bible resource is an easy to use online scriptural reference. Type in a verse and when it comes up, you can click on the verse and Hebrew and Greek references will appear along with the Strong' s reference numbers. At the top is a drop down list where you can change the bible translation version.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm
However, the most important thing is not the Hebrew and Greek. Many language scholars are very learned but cannot understand the Scriptures.
Only God through His Spirit can give understanding. Through His Spirit marvelous treasures are revealed.
In reference to the two witnesses needed for correct understanding, but also to the Spirit in general, always remember this paramount truth:
Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the LORD Almighty. Zechariah 4:6
octoberose:
Question.. Is killing babies evil. Isis kills babies, Herod ordered babies killed, as did Pharaoh and we would all agree that what they did was evil. God commanded babies to be killed and we all agree that it wasn't evil for God to command this... But was it evil for the Israelites to commit the act of killing babies? I believe the answer is yes... But I don't know.
Can I just add that God will redeem those very babies He condemned? Someone on this sight said once, in reference to "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated", that the 'hate' of God is worth more than all the love of man. Christ died for the innocent that His Father had killed. Kind of makes your head spin.
And let's not forget Amos 3," Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD has not done it? "God calls evil what it is even when He is the One doing it. Evil is not necessarily sin.
indianabob:
Octoberose,
One of the ways I try to cope with God destroying humans is to keep in mind that God knows what would have happened to each person the next day if they had not been killed. So when God destroys a baby by having Israelites stab it with a sword there is very little difference (for the baby) than there would be if the child was suffocated by its mother.
The real difference is the emotion experienced by the one wielding the sword or by the parents of the baby who have to watch. The baby probably dies in less than a minute and would have suffered more if left to starve.
Plus why is the pain of dying of a baby any worse than the pain of dying of an adult? Certainly the adult is more aware of what is coming, while the baby is mostly ignorant of the threat; unless the act is prolonged as in torture to increase the pain.
Sure, we feel a stronger emotion when we hear of the event or see it done, but dying of suffocation in a hospital bed with your lungs filling up is much more dreadful especially when you cannot do anything about it. A dying patient can suffer for hours and days struggling just to take the next breath. Having their heart pierced through with a sword would be merciful.
I know that this is a difficult topic and it is easy to resent what has to be done in the name of justice. Such as the whole adult community having to cast stones at a criminal that has been found guilty of a sin worthy of death. Especially when the parents of the guilty person have to cast the first stones at their own flesh and blood child.
It is necessary and important and a valuable lesson to have to learn how precious each life is to God. That is why, I think, that we are repulsed by the very thought of taking a human life with our own hands. And yet we send our teen age boys and girls into the military to learn how to kill efficiently and without overmuch remorse. Otherwise they would become the victim and the enemy of our nation would make slaves of us all.
That last comment is not to support killing at all, we believers are supposed to be operating under the NEW and better covenant in which even hating another human is sin. However, as a nation we have always taught our youth to kill the enemies of the family that we call a Nation. Strange that we send our teens out to do our dirty work.
I think that is why so many of our soldiers come back into civilian life with P.T.S.D. They just cannot come to terms with what they have been ordered to do in the name of patriotism.
offered in love, Indiana bob
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: octoberose on May 29, 2015, 01:06:53 AM ---Question.. Is killing babies evil. Isis kills babies, Herod ordered babies killed, as did Pharaoh and we would all agree that what they did was evil. God commanded babies to be killed and we all agree that it wasn't evil for God to command this... But was it evil for the Israelites to commit the act of killing babies? I believe the answer is yes... But I don't know.
Can I just add that God will redeem those very babies He condemned? Someone on this sight said once, in reference to "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated", that the 'hate' of God is worth more than all the love of man. Christ died for the innocent that His Father had killed. Kind of makes your head spin.
And let's not forget Amos 3," Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD has not done it? "God calls evil what it is even when He is the One doing it. Evil is not necessarily sin.
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That's a great addition to this thread. I had to go back and corrext one of my previous posts in which I stated "God doesn't do evil." That word "do" is just to ambigious. He creates evil and brings it upon peoples and nations in various forms so I don't think I was correct in saying that. Furthermore, you're right also to point out that evil isn't sin and God takes full responsibility for what is going on in creation. After all, He did die for OUR sins, not His own.
I once emailed ray about this very thing. Oh to find it again!
When I think of evil and how God uses it, I like to remember Joseph. How did his life and the life of everyone end and what did he have to say looking back on the evil that God brought upon him through the deeds of his brothers?
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
Ah yes, there it is. Isnt that how all the evil in this creation is ultimately used? The end is good and the many people is creation itself!
An experience of evil has Elohim given unto the sons of men to humble them thereby it.
God bless,
Alex
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