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Did Jesus cease to be God when he became incarnate?
Gina:
Hi, Octoberose
Bodies (arms and legs and feet and hands) don't "offend" or commit sin without something causing them to do so. It all starts in the mind/heart. It is not out of the dust of the earth that come sin and murders and evil desires, it is OUT OF THE HEART. (Matt. 15:19) When the bible speaks of the "sinful flesh" it means the carnal mind. Jesus Christ didn't have a carnal mind. He had the mind of His Father in Heaven, seeing how He was conceived not by sperm but of the Holy Spirit of God, the Father in Heaven. Therefore, Jesus Christ had the MIND of God His Father in heaven. And even Jesus said, "I always do what pleases My Father." And that is why Paul said, "Let this mind be in you."
Gina:
Here is where I got what I was saying:
Let's pay close attention to just one statement from Jesus that should help everyone to see that this is figurative language that teaches us a great spiritual truth. Jesus did not say what most Christians think He said.
Jesus did not say: "And if your eye offends you, repent of your lust or God will cast you into an hell of immortal worms and everlasting fire which will never stop burning."
But that is what most Christians think Jesus meant even if He didn't actually say it. Nonsense.
"And if your eye offend you..."
This word "offend" means: "to entice you to sin" (Strong's Greek Dictionary).
Now then, is it even "literally" possible for a physical organ of the body to be the cause of a moral or spiritual sin? No, it is not possible. Lusting after a woman does not have its origin in the eyes but rather in the heart.
"...whosoever looks [with the eyes] on a woman to lust [in his heart, not in his eyes] after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart."
The lust of the eyes is itself a "figure of speech." We "look" with our eyes, but we "lust" with our heart. And the "heart" in Scripture virtually never means the organ of the body which pumps blood. The "heart" in Scripture is the inner most man, the seat of emotions and passions, conscience, and moral character. No physical organ of the body has even one of these spiritual attributes. More proof:
"For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders" (Mark 7:21).
Did you notice that "looking on a woman to lust after her" IS adultery, and it comes not from the eyes, but from the heart. So then, is this teaching in Matt. 5:27-30, literal, or figurative? It is figurative.
Source: http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html
Gina:
And thanks for your input and post, Alex.
Kat:
--- Quote from: octoberose on May 31, 2015, 04:50:39 PM ---Well, here's a question that goes along with this subject. Is it the belief here at bible truths that Jesus was the physical son of Mary, or was Mary just a conduit for the person of Jesus? In other words, did God provide both the male and female spectrum of Jesus? The question comes because there are some who believe that if Jesus was physically "of man" then he inherited the sin of Adam, and we know there was no sin in him. I always took that to mean that He committed no sin- but we are born with Adams sin also. However, Jesus is referred to as "the man, Jesus Christ". So, I am in a quandary about this.
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Well we know that Jesus was born of Mary as a flesh and blood human being and in so being referred to Himself a lot as the "Son of man."
I am thinking that the reason people believe that Jesus would have "inherited the sin of Adam," is because they misunderstand Scripture and believe that "for as in Adam all die," (1Co 15:22) means that because of the erroneous notion of the 'fall of man' that transferred/inherited sin to all people.
Rom 5:12 Just as sin entered the world through one man, and death resulted from sin, therefore everyone dies, because everyone has sinned.
Their faulty thinking is that if Jesus was born of the sinful flesh, then He had to be sinful as well... they just do not understand and other Scripture confuse them more, like what Jesus said...
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Yes flesh is weak and our carnality lends to inevitable sin, BUT there was a big difference in Christ, He had the Spirit without measure and that made Him God and far beyond the pulls of the flesh.
John 3:34 For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure. (ESV)
Being born a human He certainly was of the flesh, but not carnal minded in any way. It's an oxymoron to say He was God in the flesh and carnal, that's as impossibility.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
We have a good many Scripture that plainly state Christ Jesus had no sin.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
1Peter 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,
v. 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
1Peter 2:22 He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.
Isa 53:9 And they made His grave with the wicked— But with the rich at His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
2Co 5:21 For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him." (CLV)
1John 3:5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
Hope this is helpful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
virginiabm:
Hi my family. I know I don't post much, but the subject has come up that I think about a lot. Was Mary really the mother of Jesus or just a vessel to house Him in? I know in my studies on this, Jesus never calls Mary His Mother, Not in the KJV. There might be a Bible that does, but anyway Jesus only calls Mary woman. John 3. The wedding in cannan. When Jesus was on the tree He told John behold your Mother and told Mary behold your Son. I don't have a problem with her being Jesus' mother, I just wondered why He did not address her as His mother. There was another time when Jesus was told that His mother was wanting to talk to Him, He said who is my mother and He looked around and said those who do my Fathers will. I think that is the way it went. I can't remember the chap. and verse..
Jesus always addressed His Father as My Father, but when it comes to Mary Jesus addresses her as woman, He never says my mother or mother while talking to her or others. This is just something I've been thinking about and wondering about as well. As I said I have no problem with Mary being Jesus Earth Mother. Just wondering why that's all.
Virginia Miller
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