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Did Jesus cease to be God when he became incarnate?
Gina:
--- Quote from: virginiabm on June 01, 2015, 08:27:38 AM ---Hi my family. I know I don't post much, but the subject has come up that I think about a lot. Was Mary really the mother of Jesus or just a vessel to house Him in? I know in my studies on this, Jesus never calls Mary His Mother, Not in the KJV. There might be a Bible that does, but anyway Jesus only calls Mary woman. John 3. The wedding in cannan. When Jesus was on the tree He told John behold your Mother and told Mary behold your Son. I don't have a problem with her being Jesus' mother, I just wondered why He did not address her as His mother. There was another time when Jesus was told that His mother was wanting to talk to Him, He said who is my mother and He looked around and said those who do my Fathers will. I think that is the way it went. I can't remember the chap. and verse..
Jesus always addressed His Father as My Father, but when it comes to Mary Jesus addresses her as woman, He never says my mother or mother while talking to her or others. This is just something I've been thinking about and wondering about as well. As I said I have no problem with Mary being Jesus Earth Mother. Just wondering why that's all.
Virginia Miller
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Hi, Virginia,
That is an interesting question. According to Jesus:
33 ... “Who are my mother and my brothers?”
34 And looking about at those who sat around him, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers!
35 For whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother.”
I'm not suggesting the reason Jesus didn't address her as "mother" (in public, at least) is because Mary didn't do the will of God.
People, especially in the Catholic Church system, make a big deal out of her because her title suggests that she was somehow ABOVE Him in status. The focus should always be on the GREATER One, and He knew that. She didn't have a problem with it. Mary was not offended probably because she knew that she as His "mother" should not usurp His authority. Besides, maybe because Joseph had died so early in Jesus' life that Jesus was made the "man" of the house, but that's total speculation on my part.
People unfortunately subconsciously make the false assumption that Mary (being Jesus' "mother") formed and shaped Him instead in God, His Father, all because she fed Him some milk, but the fact of the matter is, she didn't really even know who He was.
27As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
28 But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12896.msg113153.html#msg113153
On the other hand if He were just a human being and He didn’t come from anywhere, except His mother’s womb. Then someplace between coming out of His mother’s womb and going out and spreading the gospel, He had to find out who He was. Who told Him? When was He told? He couldn’t have very well been told when He was 12 years old.
At the Passover time, when Jesus was 12 years old they went up to Jerusalem and they were there for the feast. And it came to pass after they left they looked around in their company and Jesus wasn’t there. So they went back to Jerusalem, apparently they were gone a whole day and then they had to come back another whole day and then they walked around Jerusalem a whole day. They went to all of the places that they thought He might be and finally they found Him at the temple.
Luke 2:48 And when they saw Him, they were amazed: and His mother said unto Him, Son, why have You thus dealt with us? behold, Your father and I have sought You sorrowing.
By the way that word “sorrowing” is the identical Greek word used in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, where the rich man said I am being “tormented,” it’s the same word. So I don’t think Mary was being burnt with fire.
v. 49 And He said unto them, How is it that you sought Me? Wist you not…
“Wist” we don’t use that word anymore. Wist you not that we should be soon eating lunch.
v. 49 …Don’t you know that I must be about My Father's business?
v. 50 And they understood not…
They didn’t know who He was, Jesus is 12 years old and His own parents didn’t know who He was. Remember Simon wanting to see the newborn baby, before he died, he knew who He was. The shepherds they were taught who He was. He’s dealing with those of the law here in the temple and there was the angel of the Lord and the heavenly host.
I mean all these people dealt with Jesus and they didn’t know, His own parents didn’t know who He was. He was just a little boy that got left behind and they had to go back and get Him. He said “don’t you know that I must be about My Father's business?”
So at 12 years old He wasn’t told, He already knew who He was! Not only did He know that His Father had business for Him to do, He was already doing it! He said I’m already about it, I‘m already doing it, at 12 years old. Well when did He know who He was?
virginiabm:
I believe Mary did the will of God. She was appointed to carry our Saviour in her womb and deliver Him to the world.
Maybe this is how she is His Mother, because she did the will of our Father. I have no idea why Jesus didn't call her Mother in public. I was just expounding on what Rose wrote, because I had some of the same thoughts. Mary was very blessed to be able to carry the Son of The Living God, even thou it caused her great persecution, But Our Father saw her though,as He does us all.
With Love, Virginia Miller
Gina:
--- Quote from: virginiabm on June 01, 2015, 02:22:47 PM ---I believe Mary did the will of God. She was appointed to carry our Saviour in her womb and deliver Him to the world.
Maybe this is how she is His Mother, because she did the will of our Father. I have no idea why Jesus didn't call her Mother in public. I was just expounding on what Rose wrote, because I had some of the same thoughts. Mary was very blessed to be able to carry the Son of The Living God, even thou it caused her great persecution, But Our Father saw her though,as He does us all.
With Love, Virginia Miller
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Yes, of course, by the power of God she did what she was appointed to do. God made sure of it.
This world and the way it works is all about woman. When Adam took one look at Eve he fell for her so hard that when Eve disobeyed God he didn't have the you-know-what's to stand up to her and say, STOP WOMAN -- YOU'RE DOING WRONG! (Obviously, had he, we wouldn't have a human race.) He had her on a pedestal. He worshiped her instead of God. The lesson here is that Jesus didn't WORSHIP HIS MOTHER. He didn't look to HER WARM EMBRACE for comfort, seeing how He Himself is the Comforter.
The world we live in worships females, mothers and women and their beauty literally and figuratively speaking, and that is why the world is in the mess it's in. And women love it. They are addicted to the point that the beauty industry is a billion/trillion dollar industry. Men put women on pedestals and worship them for the express purpose of being worshipped and adored in return. And women gain POWER from that "love" and the attention that men give them, and end up hurting the man, because the man learns to look to the woman instead of their Father in Heaven for their sustenance. But women CAN'T sustain a man. They can't because women are not the source of love. GOD is love. The only thing that the love of a woman can do is turn men into a wimp or a bully because it SEPARATES men from the source of Truth and true Love - God.
Jesus was not a "mama's boy." He looked to His Father in Heaven for EVERYTHING. And that is the lesson that Jesus was giving. He didn't disrespect her at all. She had a job and place and she was not to be viewed as greater than her Son. And I believe there is a scripture that says that she will be rewarded in some way for her role and her obedience, but not in this life - not to be worshipped as the woman / mother of God. How absurd.
Does that make sense, Virginia? :)
virginiabm:
Hi Gina, I think you might have misunderstood my thoughts. I do not think for one minute that Jesus disrepected Mary in any way. My thoughts were did He consider Mary to be His mother? Everyone called her His mother, but when Jesus addressed her, He called her woman. Our Saviour died for her as well as everybody eles. He loves her just like He loves us. I don't think calling her mother would put her above God or make Jesus a mama's boy.
As for women being the down fall of men, I think it goes both ways if you are not with the right person. We all have a knack for hurting each other in some way, fashion or form.
I know Jesus was all about His Father, as we all should be, but my thoughts were did Jesus consider Mary to be His mother? Or did He consider her just another disciple to be taught? As you pointed out, she did not know who Jesus was even though she got pregnant without a mans help. I do hope i have made myself clear. I would hate it if someone thought I was disrepecting my Savior in any way. That was not the reason I brought up my thoughts on this subject. In Love , virginia miller
Gina:
Not at all, Virginia. I'm sorry if you thought that is what I was getting at. I was just "buying up every opportunity," as it were. :)
I'm sure He knew what Mary's role was - considering how HE MADE HER for the express purpose of birthing Him. But even still, He came out of His Father in Heaven. Did he consider her his mother? I'm sure He loved her very, very much. More than you could possibly know. I mean no disrespect but look closely at how you framed your question:
--- Quote ---but my thoughts were did Jesus consider Mary to be His mother? Or did He consider her just another disciple to be taught?
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The emphasis of her being his mother you seem to put ABOVE being another disciple, or as you put it "just" another disciple, as if it makes a difference to God -- Who is NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS.
I love Mary's example. She said, "Do what He says." That tells me, Mary did the Father's will and for that reason He considered her His mother (and disciple).
I hope that helps and clears up the matter.
Have a good day.
Gina
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