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Is Jesus the Eternal Lord of All?
repottinger:
You're very welcome, Jonathan; it's questions like yours that are so helpful to us all in coming to a greater understanding of God's word.
Your brother in Christ,
Randy
repottinger:
I do have another question, though, for anyone who might feel led to answer it. As Dave mentioned Ray having written, God is an expanding family, and so we will all in time actually be God. I’ve read this before from other writers, but I’d just like to verify it here, if possible. Is this what Ray actually believed and taught—that we will all eventually BE GOD? (I’m not sure if I've ever read those exact words from him.) Not meaning to become our personal Creator God the Father of all or His Son Jesus Christ the Word of God, of course, but a member of their family, as a man and a woman become "one flesh" upon being married. If anyone can shed any light on this, I would really appreciate it.
Sincerely,
Randy
P.S. If I'm breaking any kind of forum etiquette by bringing up another question on someone else's thread, could someone please let me know? I wrote this question, and then that thought occurred to me. As I think I mentioned when I first joined, this is the first forum that I've been a part of, and I really don't know what all of the unwritten rules are yet.
Kat:
--- Quote from: repottinger on July 01, 2015, 09:22:17 PM ---I do have another question, though, for anyone who might feel led to answer it. As Dave mentioned Ray having written, God is an expanding family, and so we will all in time actually be God. I’ve read this before from other teachers, but I’d just like to verify it here, if possible. Is this what Ray actually believed and taught—that we will all eventually BE GOD? (I’m not sure if I've ever read those exact words from him.)
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Hi Randy, simply put yes, I think this may answer that for you in more detail.
http://bible-truths.com/WhyGodLovesYou.htm -----------
Reason One:
WHY GOD LOVES THE WORLD
Paul told the Athenians that the God that was UNKNOWN to them, was in fact, the very God that Paul himself worshipped. And being the great teacher and psychologist that Paul was, he used their own superstition to show them Who the True God really is. So Paul shows them their origin, their connection with God, and their final destiny.
"And has made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us: For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also HIS OFFSPRING" (Acts 17:26-28)
There is the answer as to why God loves the world.
The word "offspring" in this verse is from the Greek word, genos (from which we get our word genealogy), which Strong's Greek Lexicon defines as "kin." And kin is "One's relatives, family, kinfolk." Yes, we are of the same race, kin, relatives, and family as God Almighty! A few other Versions of Acts 17:28 are:
"We too belong to His race" (Moffatt Translation)
"For we are His kindred" (Lamsa, Eastern Texts)
"For indeed we are His children" (Knox Translation)
"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye [ye means 'all of you'] shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty" (II Cor. 6:16:18)
Have you ever meditated on this profound truth? WE ARE GOD'S KIN! I can trace my genealogy back to Joris Jansen De Rapalje, the first of four named families to settle Manhattan Island, New York in 1623. But that's barely 400 years. All of us one day will be able to trace our genealogy clear back to Adam and Eve and then to The Lord GOD ALMIGHTY the Creator of the universe and the Creator of the Human Race. This is not figurative language. This is not a metaphor. This is not spiritual symbolism. We really are of the kin, race, and genealogy of God Almighty!
Luke's gospel traces Jesus' genealogy through His mother Mary's father. Does that genealogy end with Adam and Eve? No it doesn't. Let's read it:
"Which was the son of Enos [Enoch], which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son OF GOD!"
Likewise, ALL of our genealogies will take us back through our parents, grand parents, great grandparents, etc., etc., until we come to our Truly GREAT Father, not Adam, but GOD! WE ARE ALL OF THE RACE OF GOD!
When a mother gives birth, she is reproducing herself; she is giving birth to someone like herself; she is producing a person in her own image and likeness; and hence this child is now of the mother's race, kin, genealogy, relatives, children, and family. In similar fashion God brought into existence humanity.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... So God created man in His Own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them. (Gen. 1:26-27)
While it is true that we do not presently live together with God as a family, it is nevertheless, a fact that we are presently a member of God's family, kin, and race. And it's just a matter of time until we are all united as one Family of God:
"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle [God's habitation or dwelling place] of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God" (Rev. 21:2-3)
"Ye shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty" (II Cor 6:16:18)
"Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knows us not, because it knew Him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as He is pure" (I John 3:1-3)
Can you not feel an emotion, a longing in God's words when He speaks of the future He plans with His people? Well listen again: "And I heard a GREAT VOICE out of heaven..." Why a "GREAT" voice? Why not just a voice? Because this is a GREAT announcement by God Almighty. The Greek word translated "great" means "exceedingly, loud, mighty, high, strong." "BEHOLD, the tabernacle of GOD IS WITH MEN,..." "Behold, LO, listen, SEE." Why? Because God Almighty is going to make a grand and glorious announcement. He will make His HOME WITH MANKIND! God is coming to live with us. "...and He will dwell with them, and they shall be HIS PEOPLE..." "His" has a definition of "of him." These are "people of Him." They are of God's race and kindred and therefore they are "people of Him" -- of HIS RACE, not His "possessions" like so much chattel. "...and God Himself shall be with them, and BE THEIR GOD" (Rev. 21:2-3).
God did not create some kind of creature with higher intelligence than the plants and animals so that He could communicate with them. Humans are not just some kind of play things for God. God did not create some kind of aliens when He made us. We are the extension of His family, His kinfolk. We are God's CHILDREN -- we are the expansion of God's RACE!
Although these verses show the actual family relationship taking place at a yet future date, that doesn't mean that it is not already a reality, seeing that God "...calls those things which be not as though they were" (Rom. 4:17). And we also have this reassuring statement of John where he states: "...NOW are we the sons of God" (I John 3:2).
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--- Quote from: zarlareignofthefairies on June 30, 2015, 11:49:36 PM ---Let me be more clear. Ray said God is not a closed Trinity but an expanding family so it seems to me that that is what he was saying, that we will all be God some day. So to put it like this '' that God may all in all'' or to rearrange the words ''that all may be God''.
It really seems blasphemous to say that and that's why I sounded so sheepish in my other posts but I thought I would just come right out and say it.
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1Cor 15:28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
This comment is what God is working out in this creation, "...that God may be all..." all/everything to and in us, when we are perfected, as in entering/born into the God family at resurrection. Just as Christ has the Spirit without measure (John 3:34), so will the elect. That is when God will be "all" in us, the firstfruits. And when it is accomplished/completed in every creature, "all" in heaven and earth are perfected in Christ/God, that is the results that is being worked out in this creation.
1Co 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
v. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
"Then comes the end" of the work of salvation, all will have been saved and brought into the God family... "all in all." That is when I think the real excitement begins.
1Co 2:9 But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him"—
mercy, peace and love
Kat
repottinger:
Thank you so much, Kat; I especially like how Ray shows what it will be like for God to eventually be ALL in ALL of His creation.
Your brother in Christ,
Randy
Ian 155:
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--- Quote from: zarlareignofthefairies on June 23, 2015, 11:09:33 PM ---When Jesus delivers up the kingdom to God the Father will He still be our Master forever? Was Ray saying that someday we will be on the same level as Jesus?
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Hi Kat I was referring specifically to the question above,I get what Ray said re Jesus and the Father ....these 2 verses may be an answer Galatians 4:7 and Galatians 4:7
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