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Gods elect.
Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on July 17, 2015, 04:59:47 AM ---So let me rephrase my original question, how does Christ instantly perfect that which is not perfected at His appearing as stated in 1Co15:52. The reason again why I ask this question is because Ray said that virtue can only be learned by overcoming some form of evil.
However according to 1Co15:52 there is no overcoming any form of evil, one will be instantly changed.
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Hi Rick, I thought I would make one more point about this 'perfection' the elect gain at resurrection... I do not believe it means to have experienced and overcome every possible lust and temptation, but perfect in being joined to God in absolute oneness/unity.
John 17:22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
v. 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect (completed) in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
I don't see this life as giving us a knowledge in every possible sin and how to overcome it so that we have gained every possible virtue. God is building a body of believers that are unique individuals and we all have different experiences that give us knowledge in certain areas, but not 'all' areas.
Eph 4:15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—
v. 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
I don't think it's a question of being a perfect individual in every way, but of being "complete (perfect) IN HIM."
Col 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
v. 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
So if you can see what I'm talking about? I don't think it's necessary for us to gain more virtue in having more time in this life to overcome more sin, so we all reach the same perfection overcoming every possible lust... God wants us to be individuals. He gives us all strengths and weaknesses to learn from, so each of us have the exact experiences we need to make us what He needs in His body of believers, so the BODY is complete and perfectly whole.
When I think about the next age and the elect ruling with Christ, I think He will have prepared elect that have experienced every problem/weakness known to man to complete the body. So He will have somebody ready to meet any and every need to serve Him and can understand and sympathize with any situation that comes up in dealing with what people need.
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
v. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
v. 15 If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body?
v. 16 And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body?
v. 18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.
v. 19 And if they were all one member, where would the body be?
v. 20 But now indeed there are many members, yet one body.
v. 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
v. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
v. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 18, 2015, 10:17:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on July 17, 2015, 04:59:47 AM ---So let me rephrase my original question, how does Christ instantly perfect that which is not perfected at His appearing as stated in 1Co15:52. The reason again why I ask this question is because Ray said that virtue can only be learned by overcoming some form of evil.
However according to 1Co15:52 there is no overcoming any form of evil, one will be instantly changed.
--- End quote ---
Hi Rick, I thought I would make one more point about this 'perfection' the elect gain at resurrection... I do not believe it means to have experienced and overcome every possible lust and temptation, but perfect in being joined to God in absolute oneness/unity.
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Hi Kat,
The three questions I enquired of at the beginning of this thread which was (1 ) how do the elect at the appearing of Christ sin no more, ( 2 ) God being a respecter of persons and ( 3 ) why does not Christ change everyone in the twinkling of an eye at the end of this aged.
In both of your replies the first being # 8 and the 2nd being # 17 have answered all three question which of two I find were answered directly and the third indirectly, you have not only given me a satisfactory answer but have taken my understanding beyond even what I could of hoped for in such a short time.
I thank you much for both your patience and kindness towards me a wretched man who one day will be made in the image of our creator.
Just a thought, if you are one of Gods elect and I’m not I would pray to God I could learn in the next age under someone so gentle as you.
God bless you Kat. :)
John9362:
Gina and Kat "Rock" LOVE you guys !! :)
Gina:
Thank you, John. Yes, Kat definitely has a great gift. We are all fortunate to have her here.
pylady:
Hi Rick,
Just wanted to address the first part of your question about the elects still sinning while in the flesh, perhaps even to the time of death, but then being changed at the appearance of Christ and sin no more. This confused me for awhile too.
Here's what I found - God is not making us sinless (perfect) in this age. As long as we are in the flesh we will sin, maybe not willingly, but the flesh is still weak. He created us with this weak nature to teach us right from wrong.
Here's what He is doing for us in this age:
Ezek 36:26 "Moreover I will give you a new heart, and put a new spirit within you;"
Jer 24:7 "And I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they (the elect) will be my people, and I will be their God, for they will return to me with their whole heart."
Matt 5:8 "Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God."
Matt 22:37 "You shall love the Lord your God will all your heart,and all your soul and all your mind."
see also Romans 10:10; Luke 12:34; Prov 23:7
In this age it's all about His changing our heart so we want to please Him above all else. Even though we sometimes fall, we do so unwillingly. When we are resurrected there will be no more temptations of the flesh because there will be no more flesh. And if we want to please Him now, think how we will feel when we see Him as He is!
Rest easy Rick. God is working on our hearts. Where is your treasure?
Cindy
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