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The devil made me do it !
Dave in Tenn:
Here's a testimony. It did me a lot of good to do that little study--and not just for the sake of the 'topic' at hand--as it forced me to look deeper (and again) into 2 Cor. 11 It's strange how that seems to work over and over again.
I'll spare you the sermon from the above. You'll either need it or you won't. I did. You'll either see it or you won't, and if you see it, you'll either obey it or you won't. The jury is still out on me on that score.
Mike Gagne:
I get ya Dave!
Heard a few ministers of satan speak myself, in a few synagogues of satan...
Gina:
Masquerade and disguise fits this better in my humble opinion. Satan wears a mask and a disguise. He's not the scary demon. He's the pussycat.
Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?"
You see that? He acts like the commands of God are mere statements. "Has God said, you shall NOT eat from any tree...?
But God, I believe, was instructing/commanding them this way :
"From every tree of the garden, you are to [surely] eat, yea, eat. 17 Yet from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you are not to be eating from it, for in the day you eat from it, to die shall [must] you be dying.
(God wasn't just pleasantly offering them some of his food to eat, he was saying, eat it! Is how I see it. You know, because it was good, and God wants His children have good food.)
And Eve said to the serpent (and try to see if you can hear a tone in her voice):
"From the fruit of the trees of the garden we are eating, 3 yet from the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, the Elohim says, `Not eat of it shall you, and not touch it shall you, lest* you be dying.'"
Is that what God said?
God said: From every tree of the garden, you are to [surely] eat, yea, eat. 17 Yet from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you are not to be eating from it, for in the day you eat from it, to die shall you be dying.,
Eve said "lest" you be dying. Do you know what the word lest means: "because of the possibility of something undesirable happening," Wow! As if it was only a possibility. She didn't understand.
Then, she left out the part about "in the day you eat from it." I guess she forgot all about that.
I don't know -- the way she spoke about what God commanded her, she was funny - in a not so funny kinda way. She made it sound like eating from the trees in the garden was a boring chore or something, like she was so fed up (pun intended) "from the fruit of the trees we are eating." Sounds heavenly..... not.
From what I can see, her attitude was not one of appreciation or love and respect for what her Creator was giving them, is the feeling I'm getting. But I don't know. I'm not faulting her -- I know if I was there, I'd have done the same thing.
John from Kentucky:
Here is a little something Ray had to say about 2Cor. 11
Devil and Angels?
« on: November 28, 2008, 08:30:34 PM »
I read alot of your materials and I pretty much agree with everything I have read so far. But one verse has been troubling me and I cant seem to put it together and that is Mathew 25:41.
"Prepared for the devil and his angels"? Could you please expound on this verse a little further as this is a difficult one for me in light of your teachings.
Thanks, Mike.
Dear Mike: In Scripture, angels, messengers, and ministers are used interchangeably.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels [#32] spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Greek: #32, aggelos, From aggellō (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication a PASTOR: - angel, messenger. (Strong's Concordance).
Now then, notice what Paul says concerning Satan and his "ministers"--
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his MINISTERS also be transformed as the MINISTERS of righteousness; whose end [eonian/gehenna/hell/lake of fire JUDGMENT] shall be according to their works.
It is the false ministers (the "ministers of righteousness") of Mystery Babylon--The CHURCH, who are to be judged in this "eonian" fire along with their many millions of followers. See my last Installment: "The Lake of Fire and the Second Death."
God be with you,
Ray
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[2] Satan is an "angel" which means "messenger" in both Hebrew and Greek (II Cor. 11:14).
The above is a direct quote from Ray Smith. But to listen to some of the scriptural scholars and teachers among us, I guess Ray is wrong. Oh well, what can you expect from a mere roofer. ;D
I thought one reason for this Forum was to discuss the scriptural understandings of Ray Smith. ???
People like to say they appreciate the teachings of Ray. They like to say they know and believe in the Scriptures. They like to say how much they love people, and how humble they are, and how good they are.
One thing I learned from Ray, and Jesus, and the Spirit of God. Most people, the Many, are full of spiritual crap, and they do not like it when they are exposed.
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Hi John,
I agree with Kat, just wanted you to understand that, Ray explained to all of us about the twelve spiritual truths, did Ray explain these things so we could not advance in knowledge ?
If someone starts talking to us in a direction that leads us away from the truth then we can deal with that lying spirit at the time we discover it.
I wonder how much Ray would of understood the things of God if he were told not to deviate from the teachings of Christendom ?
I believe you understand John, don’t be afraid to grow in knowledge and truth beyond Ray, he gave us enough to go on and grow, its like Kat said we stand behind Ray, John, but there is something more important than Ray here, and that would be Christ, why hinder the spirit ?
I do commend you for your loyalty to Ray but you know John, your not the only one loyal to Ray John, but our loyalty should be to Christ and Christ only, if you feel diffident I’ll not argue with you, go for it.
ct 5:39 However, if it's from God, you won't be able to stop them. You may even discover that you're fighting against God."
You’re a smart man John, in the things of God, no doubt.
Take care John and God bless you.
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