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Should we be asking for forgiveness.
rick:
I have taken the privilege of copying this from Rays papers.
Every vessel of humanity is first made “marred in the hand of the Potter.” ... “the carnal mind is enmity against God,” ... “for out of the heart proceed evil thoughts.” Every vessel must be refashioned--regenerated, converted, judged, purged, and born again of the Spirit.
Im not sure but Im thinking can something that is marred knows its marred unless God shows that which is marred that it is marred and if God is showing something that it is marred them it would stand to reason that God is working in that persons life that is marred.
Does that make sense ? :-\
santgem:
--- Quote from: Rick on August 03, 2015, 05:48:02 PM ---I have taken the privilege of copying this from Rays papers.
Every vessel of humanity is first made “marred in the hand of the Potter.” ... “the carnal mind is enmity against God,” ... “for out of the heart proceed evil thoughts.” Every vessel must be refashioned--regenerated, converted, judged, purged, and born again of the Spirit.
Im not sure but Im thinking can something that is marred knows its marred unless God shows that which is marred that it is marred and if God is showing something that it is marred them it would stand to reason that God is working in that persons life that is marred.
Does that make sense ? :-\
--- End quote ---
Hello Rick,
Greetings!
Yes indeed it does make sense.
see.....
A lot of Muslim converted to Christianity. You do know well when original Muslim that is converted to Christianity and is apostasy should be facing death per Sharia law.
When they converted, family, community, friends, relatives should put them in death, and that is their customs and thinking.
Many Muslims that are converted to Christianity willing to face death the first time they saw Jesus. They see the peace inside them and knowing that they will be saved knowing Jesus. Their books and their religion and teachings cannot guarantee about their salvation, so when they heard the good news the persecution, hardships, facing death and many threats are not match with the joy they have experiencing knowing their Saviour.
They are marred and they know that God is working on them.
Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on August 03, 2015, 05:48:02 PM ---I have taken the privilege of copying this from Rays papers.
Every vessel of humanity is first made “marred in the hand of the Potter.” ... “the carnal mind is enmity against God,” ... “for out of the heart proceed evil thoughts.” Every vessel must be refashioned--regenerated, converted, judged, purged, and born again of the Spirit.
Im not sure but Im thinking can something that is marred knows its marred unless God shows that which is marred that it is marred and if God is showing something that it is marred them it would stand to reason that God is working in that persons life that is marred.
Does that make sense ? :-\
--- End quote ---
Yes I think you are right, all start out "marred," carnal and in darkness.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
You should read how the church and commentaries twist that Scripture ("the vessel that He made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter") to make it fit what 'they' believe. They think God would/could not make us in such a 'damaged' conditions from the start, oh no it's our supposed free will that brings us to that. Their manipulation of that Scripture reminds me of a famous quote, "Oh, what a tangled web we weave... when first we practice to deceive."
The world is totally deceived and of course a deceived person really believes the lies they're fed, that's the nature of deception and so what they preach is deception as well. It truly is the blind leading the blind.
Matt 15:14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."
But what they cannot comprehend or phantom is that it is God who has "marred" us from the beginning. The veil of deception so obscures the truth and blinds the world that they are completely lose in darkness.
2Cor 3:14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
v. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
v. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
Only when one "turns to the Lord" and we know that can only be done when the Father draws you to Him (John 6:44), and there are very few being drawn and having their minds open to the truth now... and yes shown that they are "marred."
1Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
The world is still waiting in darkness, BUT there is hope.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.
v. 20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of Him who subjected it, in hope
v. 21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
--- Quote from: santgem on August 04, 2015, 02:28:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on August 03, 2015, 05:48:02 PM ---I have taken the privilege of copying this from Rays papers.
Every vessel of humanity is first made “marred in the hand of the Potter.” ... “the carnal mind is enmity against God,” ... “for out of the heart proceed evil thoughts.” Every vessel must be refashioned--regenerated, converted, judged, purged, and born again of the Spirit.
Im not sure but Im thinking can something that is marred knows its marred unless God shows that which is marred that it is marred and if God is showing something that it is marred them it would stand to reason that God is working in that persons life that is marred.
Does that make sense ? :-\
--- End quote ---
Hello Rick,
Greetings!
Yes indeed it does make sense.
see.....
A lot of Muslim converted to Christianity. You do know well when original Muslim that is converted to Christianity and is apostasy should be facing death per Sharia law.
When they converted, family, community, friends, relatives should put them in death, and that is their customs and thinking.
Many Muslims that are converted to Christianity willing to face death the first time they saw Jesus. They see the peace inside them and knowing that they will be saved knowing Jesus. Their books and their religion and teachings cannot guarantee about their salvation, so when they heard the good news the persecution, hardships, facing death and many threats are not match with the joy they have experiencing knowing their Saviour.
They are marred and they know that God is working on them.
--- End quote ---
Hello Santgem,
Muslims are just as deceived as the many, perhaps their religion is the greatest threat to their lives for exchanging the lie for the truth, although its in the plan of God my prays and heart goes out to them all knowing one day we shall all be brothers and sisters.
Thanks for the confirmation to that which I been dwelling on also.
God bless you Santgem. :)
rick:
Hello Kat,
Thank you for your response and confirmation also, I’m not sure is you have meditated on this but I also have been thinking about the many are called but few are chosen.
I’m not sure if Ray has covered that which is on my mind but my thoughts are as scripture states many are called but few are chosen, God is to me obvious calling both groups but I don’t really view it as two groups but only one group which out of the one group God has only chosen what scripture refers to as the few.
I see those who are of the many do have a zeal for God and my thoughts are about God actually dealing with the many but not actually choosing them and all others just don’t believe in a God at all which the many would be placed amongst these who are perishing and will be resurrected into the white throne judgement.
In other words the many have God in their lives but their belief is not of accurate knowledge having exchange the truth of God for a lie where as the few exchanged the lie for the truth seeing where we all start off marred.
Just some thoughts that have been on my mind still dwelling on it.
Thank you Kat and God bless. :)
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