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Patriotism, nationalism, and statism as forms of idolatry
Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on September 26, 2015, 03:36:59 PM ---
Hi Kat,
I agree with all you said, but you know as well as I do the light that shines in us is always proportional to the work Christ does in a believer, its not a question of hiding our light if God wills our light to shine, what ever light He gives us will shine in the darkness.
The light that shines from a believer will only attract those who the Father has given Christ which are his elect the few for the many hate the light and will most likely do what they can to extinguish the light if it were possible of course.
Not all scripture as you know is not going to be fulfilled in this age, I’m wondering if this scripture Mat 5:14 is for this aged or the next age, its still on my mind what age it fits in.
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Rick my last response was directed to this post, and your very last comment in particular.
Mat 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.
When Christ said, "You are the light of the world," I don't believe He meant as in we are to be converting the whole world... but it seems that it is to any that has His Spirit/light indwelling they are a light to whatever little piece of the world they may live in.
Luke 11:33 "No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light.
It is not a question of making people understand the truth, but if the Spirit is indwelling, Christ will shine His light through us... that is what I believe is meant by "let your light so shine before men."
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.
I do not believe that this is reserved for the next age, but is how the chosen are to be living out the rest of their lives, being an example/witness of the whatever truth God has given us. We in no way perfect, and may not 'enlighten' a single person, but we still should be putting into practice what we are learning. But we should not live as the world does and just blend in with them, or hide this wonderful knowledge... and that doesn't necessarily mean even mentioning there is no hell/free will. By showing the fruit of the Spirit I believe that is letting our "light so shine."
Mat 5:15 Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.
Php 2:14 Do all things without complaining and disputing,
v. 15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
Eph 5:8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
v. 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),
--- Quote ---I’ll try to rephrase it again out of love that you seem to think I lack
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Certainly I have not, nor would I, make a judgment like that on you, sorry I came across as if I did.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Rick on September 27, 2015, 09:36:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 26, 2015, 02:30:56 PM ---
If you disagree that he has come to seek and to save those that are perishing, then you're arguing with Scripture.
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Hi Dave,
I’m not arguing with scripture just arguing how its being portrayed, although Christ did come to seek and save that which is lost Ray is quite clear that the
Perhaps its just a misunderstanding between we two but that is my understanding concerning that scripture you mentioned. Unless Ray is incorrect about Christ not saving everyone in this age but I believe what Ray has taught.
God bless.
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As I've already said, I also believe the whole world is not being saved in this age, only the few are being saved in this age.
IF we have any disagreement, it's in that "we" are lights in this world (assuming we are). Now. That's the 'few being saved now'. I agree with what Kat has been saying. If you agree with her, then you agree with me.
I'm done with that part of this thread. I'll comment on how it began before it changed if asked or led to.
rick:
Hi Gina,
First, I would like to say, your very welcome, you’re a wonderful asset to the forum Gina. :)
I no longer desire to speak of these truths we learned from Ray to people who have not studied Rays papers, its not that I don’t want to but the response from most are similar to Rays emails, not the nice ones of course.
I can personally tell you that I have talked to a particular all believing God fearing Christendom church goers concerning the doctrine of hell and watch the spittle come out from their mouth as they retorted in rejection to hell being a false doctrine.
Afterward, they got up and walked away from me. Believe it or not, there are some people that just don’t want truth and a good example of that can be found in comments made by Rays detractors.
I do not pass judgement on them because I know its not in man or women to direct their own footsteps because we are not free from choice without cause.
To me its not about this couple’s attitude or lack of knowledge whom I was conversing with about the doctrine of hell but more about what is it God wants me to understand as well as how should I respond ?
I personally believe that everything we experience being both good and evil in this life is that God is teaching us something in that which is happening to us, there is something we are to learn from each experience.
To God, everything is about us, God is doing a strange work in us, as we see our house built on sand crashing down we see who and what we are and to me, I see changes being made in my understanding, I don’t think about things in the same old way, I’m no longer interested in being number 1 any longer.
I took a good look at myself and all I saw was a poor pathetic wretched man, a man of sin. What is God going to do for me? I certainly cannot do anything on my own.
Paul says to run the race and rightfully so we should but I also understand the race was decided before God created the earth who would be the elect, the ones who cross the finish line according to His counsel.
God bless you Gina. :)
rick:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 27, 2015, 12:09:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on September 27, 2015, 09:36:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 26, 2015, 02:30:56 PM ---
If you disagree that he has come to seek and to save those that are perishing, then you're arguing with Scripture.
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Hi Dave,
I’m not arguing with scripture just arguing how its being portrayed, although Christ did come to seek and save that which is lost Ray is quite clear that the
Perhaps its just a misunderstanding between we two but that is my understanding concerning that scripture you mentioned. Unless Ray is incorrect about Christ not saving everyone in this age but I believe what Ray has taught.
God bless.
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As I've already said, I also believe the whole world is not being saved in this age, only the few are being saved in this age.
IF we have any disagreement, it's in that "we" are lights in this world (assuming we are). Now. That's the 'few being saved now'. I agree with what Kat has been saying. If you agree with her, then you agree with me.
I'm done with that part of this thread. I'll comment on how it began before it changed if asked or led to.
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Hi Dave,
Its apparent, like I had stated, its just a misunderstanding between you and I. I misconstrued what you were communicating to me, My apologies Dave.
I do agree with Kat as you said so we are all in agreement.
God bless Dave.
rick:
--- Quote from: Kat on September 27, 2015, 11:18:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on September 26, 2015, 03:36:59 PM ---
Hi Kat,
I agree with all you said, but you know as well as I do the light that shines in us is always proportional to the work Christ does in a believer, its not a question of hiding our light if God wills our light to shine, what ever light He gives us will shine in the darkness.
The light that shines from a believer will only attract those who the Father has given Christ which are his elect the few for the many hate the light and will most likely do what they can to extinguish the light if it were possible of course.
Not all scripture as you know is not going to be fulfilled in this age, I’m wondering if this scripture Mat 5:14 is for this aged or the next age, its still on my mind what age it fits in.
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Father in heaven.
. By showing the fruit of the Spirit I believe that is letting our "light so shine."
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Hi Kat,
I wish for the sake of everyone on this forum I were more articulate, I don’t always express myself as I should, as a result of my inability I cause confusion and sometimes contention.
I am in full agreement with your statement, that is how I believe too. I don’t try to shine a light I don’t have on my own, any light Christ gives me cannot be hid because that light becomes us and we are who we are in Christ , if Christ has given us His light it cannot doing anything but shine.
Whether people recognize that light is up to God who causes all to walk according to His counsel even if one believes their choices are free from cause they can no more direct their footsteps than we who have been enlighten can.
Most people in my life whom I have met are wonderful people but I believe they are wonderful because God has given them all the causes for them to be wonderful people, I don’t know if that is your understanding but its mine as we speak.
I believe God controls everything even people too, I know there are people who think they control their own destiny, come and go as they please but these are also the same people who stand in the temple of God and proclaim to be god as we once did but no longer do because God has cause us to understand His truths.
Thank you Kat for your reply, God bless you too. :)
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