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Patriotism, nationalism, and statism as forms of idolatry
Gina:
--- Quote ---People that don’t believe in God most likely will never attack you verbally but the ones who will attack you verbally ( believe it or not ) are people who believe in God.
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That's not true, Rick.
rick:
--- Quote from: Gina on September 27, 2015, 07:30:57 AM ---
--- Quote ---People that don’t believe in God most likely will never attack you verbally but the ones who will attack you verbally ( believe it or not ) are people who believe in God.
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That's not true, Rick.
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Hi Gina,
I said most likely won’t attack, I speak out of experience because I spoken to people who claim they do not believe in God and I mentioned I did and they were still friendly with me afterwards.
Go ahead and tell some church goers there is no hell or mentioned no one has free will and you’ll find some will argue with you others get verbally vicious, at least that’s my experience, but then again , its not all who do these things.
I only speak of things I have personally experience, if I have not experience something then I don’t really know and if I don’t know about something and comment I think that would be a foolish thing to do.
If you have experience hatred coming from someone who claims they don’t believe in God then your experience has been different from mine it that area.
God bless, and again , its good to see your back Gina.
rick:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 26, 2015, 02:30:56 PM ---
If you disagree that he has come to seek and to save those that are perishing, then you're arguing with Scripture.
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Hi Dave,
I’m not arguing with scripture just arguing how its being portrayed, although Christ did come to seek and save that which is lost Ray is quite clear that the whole world is not being saved in this age, only the few are being saved in this aged.
Perhaps its just a misunderstanding between we two but that is my understanding concerning that scripture you mentioned. Unless Ray is incorrect about Christ not saving everyone in this age but I believe what Ray has taught.
God bless.
Gina:
--- Quote from: Rick on September 27, 2015, 09:24:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on September 27, 2015, 07:30:57 AM ---
--- Quote ---People that don’t believe in God most likely will never attack you verbally but the ones who will attack you verbally ( believe it or not ) are people who believe in God.
--- End quote ---
That's not true, Rick.
--- End quote ---
Hi Gina,
I said most likely won’t attack, I speak out of experience because I spoken to people who claim they do not believe in God and I mentioned I did and they were still friendly with me afterwards.
Go ahead and tell some church goers there is no hell or mentioned no one has free will and you’ll find some will argue with you others get verbally vicious, at least that’s my experience, but then again , its not all who do these things.
I only speak of things I have personally experience, if I have not experience something then I don’t really know and if I don’t know about something and comment I think that would be a foolish thing to do.
If you have experience hatred coming from someone who claims they don’t believe in God then your experience has been different from mine it that area.
God bless, and again , its good to see your back Gina.
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Oh, yes, my experience has been different. That's what I should have said.
I have tried to tell Christians that there is no hell, and yes, they do get pretty wound up, as is evidenced by Ray's email replies from self-professed Christians.
To be fair, I have argued and debated right back. That doesn't help. But as a believer, I haven't attacked them for their beliefs. I just mocked them a little.
But that doesn't negate that there are atheists out there who attack verbally (I wouldn't use the term attack though - mock would be a fairer statement) when you even just mention the word God. You get the whole diatribe about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, blah, blah, blah, and believing in fairy tales and just being plain stupid. But we are to count it all joy when we are persecuted.
I rarely bring up the hell topic with church going Christians face to face because frankly I don't need to and I don't know that many especially since I don't attend church any longer - Hallelujah and thank God for that. Sometimes on the internet but it's becoming rare that I do that because of where it leads. And arguing about it just gets to be like trying to convince someone against their will: they're of the same opinion still. They don't want to hear a sermon, they want to see one.
Thanks for your warm welcome, Rick. :)
Gina:
Correction: I know church going Christians, but I don't associate with them on a personal level. I have one good friend who believes that hell exists but doesn't really attend church, and we've had discussions about my belief, but because I care about her and enjoy our friendship, I don't force it down her throat, and she doesn't force her belief on me either. We find other things to talk about and we are always talking about God and how He provides. We're always like, God is so good -- look at how he provides for us! The other day she was saying, I can't believe how good God is to me because I am so unworthy!!
Pretty neat huh?
That's the main topic of our conversations -- thankfulness. I am glad for that. :)
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