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Patriotism, nationalism, and statism as forms of idolatry
Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on September 26, 2015, 01:39:28 PM ---Hi Dave,
The true light has come into the world but the world comprehended it not because the world prefers darkness over the light.
I understand that any light that shines forth from a believer is proportional to the work Christ does in us, no mater how bright the light shines in the darkness, the world comprehend it not.
Will the darkness comprehend the light in the next aged when Christ rules as king of kings with the elect ?
--- End quote ---
Hi Rick, we are a light just by seeking to live a righteous life - obedient to Christ's commandments. Yes we are still in the carnal flesh, but we are learning and should be applying what we learn in our lives... that is the light that shines forth. Of course this is Christ working in us teaching us how to live, but we are overcoming and should bare that out in our words and actions... we should be producing good fruit.
Eph 5:8 For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light,
v. 9 for the fruit that the light produces consists of every form of goodness, righteousness, and truth.
I don't think believers are changing the world per say, but we are a living example/light to the world and that certainly does effect those around us in a positive way, whether they understand the truth are not. Our family and friends should reap the benefit of our positive influence in their lives.
Php 2:13 For it is God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him.
v. 14 Do everything without complaining or arguing
v. 15 so that you may be blameless and innocent, God's children without any faults among a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine like stars in the world
v. 16 as you hold firmly to the word of life. Then I will be proud when the Messiah returns that I did not run in vain or work hard in vain.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
"comprehendeth"
G2638
καταλαμβάνω
katalambanō
Thayer Definition:
1) to lay hold of
1a) to lay hold of so as to make one’s own, to obtain, attain to, to make one’s own, to take into one’s self, appropriate
1b) to seize upon, take possession of
1b1) of evils overtaking one, of the last day overtaking the wicked with destruction, of a demon about to torment one
1b2) in a good sense, of Christ by his holy power and influence laying hold of the human mind and will, in order to prompt and govern it
1c) to detect, catch
1d) to lay hold of with the mind
1d1) to understand, perceive, learn, comprehend
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2596 and G2983
Citing in TDNT: 4:9, 495
By that definition, will the darkness comprehend the light in the next aged when Christ rules as king of kings with the elect ?
Joh 1:4, 5 In him was life, and the life was the light of men, and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.
Joh 1:9 He was the true Light; He enlightens every man coming into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, yet the world did not know Him.
Joh 1:11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to the ones believing into His name.
Rom 8:20 For the creation was not willingly subjected to vanity, but through Him subjecting it, on hope;
Rom 8:21 that also the creation will be freed from the slavery of corruption to the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that all the creation groans together and travails together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only so, but also we ourselves having the firstfruit of the Spirit, also we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly expecting adoption, the redemption of our body...
Rick, I'm well aware of the order of things. So if that is your disagreement, there's no need for it. If you disagree that he has come to seek and to save those that are perishing, then you're arguing with Scripture. You and me and everybody who has 'seen the light' was (by your own testimony) once blind to it. SOME of those NOW blind will 'see', unless the Father has stopped giving Him people. Lest we think we have 'arrived', Paul says that even though we have the first-fruits of His Spirit (assuming, of course, we do) we ALSO eagerly expect adoption.
I know that to some people this means "I want to get rid of every sin". That's true enough. But isn't it also that "I want to be able to do all the good I would like to do?"
Jesus sent out His disciples to heal and cast out demons in His name...before they were spiritually converted. How much more-so after! And how much more so when these bodies are changed.
rick:
--- Quote from: Kat on September 26, 2015, 02:02:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on September 26, 2015, 01:39:28 PM ---Hi Dave,
The true light has come into the world but the world comprehended it not because the world prefers darkness over the light.
I understand that any light that shines forth from a believer is proportional to the work Christ does in us, no mater how bright the light shines in the darkness, the world comprehend it not.
Will the darkness comprehend the light in the next aged when Christ rules as king of kings with the elect ?
--- End quote ---
Hi Rick, we are a light just by seeking to live a righteous life - obedient to Christ's commandments. Yes we are still in the carnal flesh, but we are learning and should be applying what we learn in our lives... that is the light that shines forth. Of course this is Christ working in us teaching us how to live, but we are overcoming and should bare that out in our words and actions... we should be producing good fruit.
Eph 5:8 For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light,
v. 9 for the fruit that the light produces consists of every form of goodness, righteousness, and truth.
I don't think believers are changing the world per say, but we are a living example/light to the world and that certainly does effect those around us in a positive way, whether they understand the truth are not. Our family and friends should reap the benefit of our positive influence in their lives.
Php 2:13 For it is God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him.
v. 14 Do everything without complaining or arguing
v. 15 so that you may be blameless and innocent, God's children without any faults among a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine like stars in the world
v. 16 as you hold firmly to the word of life. Then I will be proud when the Messiah returns that I did not run in vain or work hard in vain.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Hi Kat,
I agree with all you said, but you know as well as I do the light that shines in us is always proportional to the work Christ does in a believer, its not a question of hiding our light if God wills our light to shine, what ever light He gives us will shine in the darkness.
The light that shines from a believer will only attract those who the Father has given Christ which are his elect the few for the many hate the light and will most likely do what they can to extinguish the light if it were possible of course.
Not all scripture as you know is not going to be fulfilled in this age, I’m wondering if this scripture Mat 5:14 is for this aged or the next age, its still on my mind what age it fits in.
God bless.
Kat:
Rick, you do understand that everybody in the world is not steeped in wickedness, don't you? The tree of knowledge is of good as well as evil and there are a lot of people that do appreciate good from others. I know people that most certainly respect the good they see others do and maybe they are not yet to be chosen, but they do not despise what is good/light. My family certainly does not hate my trying to live a godly life, or try to extinguish it, but they do not seek understanding of this truth either.
When we display the fruit of the spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control) by the grace God has given us, it is noticed by the worldly. We are not trying to convert the world, but we are a living witness of the truth, and our fruit of the spirit is certainly not meant to be directed just towards other believers.
Php 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I say, Rejoice!
v. 5 Let your moderation be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.
Act 22:14 Then he said, 'The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will, and see the Just One, and hear the voice of His mouth.
v. 15 For you will be His witness to all men of what you have seen and heard.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
Hi Kat,
Thank you for the response, I see I must get involved in damage control ( lol ) when I said people don’t want the truth and will even extinguish the truth, I’m not talking about if you would good people although I believe there are some evil people out there, just watch the news.
I have met awesome people that don’t even believe in God and these people are kind, gentle people who show much love in both words and deeds.
I also will tell you that people who believe in God, the ones who belong to a church are also loving people but when confronted with the truth , not all but some of them are not so kind any more.
I do not believe people are inherently evil we are just created spiritually weak, most folks want to do the right thing but like anyone else they fall short.
People that don’t believe in God most likely will never attack you verbally but the ones who will attack you verbally ( believe it or not ) are people who believe in God.
Good comes to everyone in this life but evil to all as well, personally I find it a great joy to love all as much as possible .
I certainly do hope you understand my meaning but if you don’t I’ll try to rephrase it again out of love that you seem to think I lack because I had not conveyed myself properly, sorry Kat. :-[
God bless you Kat. :)
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