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Losing the Holy Spirit
repottinger:
Thank you for that, John; I completely agree with what you said. I know that God will work in you in His own time (as He does in each of us), Terry, and—yes—I know from experience how humbling it can be. But I think that you’re doing very well and making a great contribution to the forum with postings like this one.
Your brother in Christ,
Randy
Jeff:
--- Quote from: Terry on October 09, 2015, 01:43:45 PM ---Hello all
This is a subject i think about daily i don't know why God waited so long to allow me to see spiritual things,it seems i grow so slow, it seems that God moves in my life as slow as winter molasses the temptaions of some sins from the past seems to not bother me as before but still i battle daily with the flesh i'll be 63 in Jan. i thought sin would lighten up as i get older or rather my desire for sin i guess i'm not old enough yet,
The thing is now i hate my sins, i truly do, before i never really thought about it, i would love to be as close to God as some of you i feel something must be wrong with me, if i could change my life i would have done it 40 yrs. ago i couldn't do it then i can't do it now if i could i would but with God's help i know i will make it,the scripture that comes to me while i'm on this journey is He is the potter and i am the clay i know i'm not much to look at now but when i come out of the fire i know i'll be beautiful how could i not be,
I know the things i go through now i hate but it must have needed to be this way i don't question his will i just try to roll with it,i love all of you so much, i wish i felt stronger that i might feel better posting. but i love reading here and reading ya'll's posts it really helps,my mind and heart is on that far away country.
God Bless
Terry
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Terry,
Just going from what you wrote I can tell that we may have had a similar experience. My problem tends to be that I lose sight of the goal, stray, and then God brings me (almost violently) back to reality. When He shows me my sin, I'm horrified, and it shatters me until He's ready to release me from the pain. That's been going for 50 years, but I didn't understand it until He brought me here.
I'm slow to learn, I fall easily, and suffer for it. Some years I think I'm making progress, others I seem to go backwards, but it's all part of the fiery trials that burn away the carnality in me. You aren't alone. There are 7 billion people who struggle daily and only a handful know why. You're blessed to have your eyes opened. I know you want more, but that hunger is God working in you.
I think it's a slow process because few things in life are valuable without great effort. The pace has value and purpose.
Are we there yet? Even as an adult I find myself asking this question in prayer. Of course the answer is always no, because the time isn't "now".
“The steadfast of mind Thou wilt keep in perfect peace because he trusts in Thee.” Isaiah 26:3
“The steps of a man are established by the Lord, and He delights in his way.” Psalm 37:23
“Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.” (1 Peter 5: 6-7)
Almost every bit of suffering in my life comes from impatience, some of it has impacted in such a way, that it will be a part of me until I'm in hell. I hope Jesus comes back before that, but the consequences are mine.
It's easy to find Scripture that relates to our circumstances, and another thing to heed them, but that is our lot.
I take comfort in knowing that God is in control and NOT me! :)
Peace,
Jeff
Kat:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 09, 2015, 05:36:12 PM ---Yes Kat, Ray has discussed Philippians 2 verses 12 and 13.
Ray said the emphasis is not so much on verse 12---"work out you own salvation", but rather on verse 13---"it is God Who works in you both to will and do."
We work with fear and trembling because it is God Who does the works, it all depends on God.
Give all the glory to God. All the works are from Jesus, the Hope of Glory.
I am not saying we do not have to do anything. It is you who are implying that is what I am saying.
All the works, all the effort, come from God. I emphasize God as opposed to the false idea of human good works or effort.
And I will continue to repeat and put the emphasis on God, which is where all the credit goes.
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We can never give God to much praise and certainly all glory goes to Him and "He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." All I'm saying is that in our discussions here, I think it helps to include our part in the process, as we are involved in all this. We are discussing our lives and hopefully encouraging one another in what we actually are trying to do or whatever. But we can never forget that God is behind the scenes and bringing everything about according to His will.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 09, 2015, 10:19:46 AM ---
It seems strange to me that you would question your motive for being chosen as one of the few... the power and glory the elect will receive to reign with Christ will be guided by the Holy Spirit in full measure, as Christ has, not by the deceitfulness of a carnal heart.
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Hi Kat,
It doesn’t seem a strange thing to me to question my motives and here is the reason why, no carnal minded person is coming to God on there own, God must drag them to Himself, I don’t believe it’s a one time act of God dragging us to Himself.
There is a huge difference between Jesus and all believers and that difference is Jesus, even though He was fully man He certainly did not have a carnal mind. The carnal mind is hatred towards God.
But all believes which includes myself have a carnal mind , that is why God must drag us to Himself, this is a constant dragging of us believes by God to Himself, this is why we all struggle with sin and temptation because we are not fully Christ minded.
Now we are commanded by scripture to put on the mind of Christ, if a believer could actually
put on the mind of Christ of their own accord, what believer would not do that. But its God who instills the mind of Christ in the believer.
I am a carnal minded man sold under sin who God has dragged to Himself and is teaching and training me as He does all other believers to grow in righteousness, the end of that training is when I believe we then have the mind of Christ in full measure until then we are subjected to error.
I am not there yet and that is why I question my motives because I do not have the mind of Christ in full measure for if I did I would not have sinned because Christ did not sin.
The human heart is deceitful above all things and I trust myself for nothing in this life so I question everything that is given me to question.
If one desires to be Gods elect they should think of two things, is this the prompting of the Holy Spirit which is pure or is it the carnal mind wanting to assert itself ?
I come to believe that whatever we human beings do is totally self centered in all things in all areas, anything that we do that is good can only be from God if one is not saved or by the prompting of the Holy spirit if one is on their way to salvation because we are not saved as of now but are in process of being saved.
When one no longer sins or cannot be tempted to sin they then have the mind of Christ in fullness.
We are carnal minded people having a spiritual experience for we are still in the physical, the resurrection has not happen yet.
God does it all in us and through us, it is Christ that does the work in us so that no man can boast. If someone says they are doing this or doing that in the Lord chances are its not Christ that is doing this or doing that but because they say their doing it then they can boast but God says no one can boast. We are not in control of anything in life one way or the other, what a humbling thing that is to discover.
Are we the potter or are we the clay ? The clay can do nothing the potter does everything and the clay will have the form the potter gives it and who is the clay that should answer back why.
god bless. :)
Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on October 10, 2015, 10:43:32 AM ---
I am a carnal minded man sold under sin who God has dragged to Himself and is teaching and training me as He does all other believers to grow in righteousness, the end of that training is when I believe we then have the mind of Christ in full measure until then we are subjected to error.
I am not there yet and that is why I question my motives because I do not have the mind of Christ in full measure for if I did I would not have sinned because Christ did not sin.
The human heart is deceitful above all things and I trust myself for nothing in this life so I question everything that is given me to question.
If one desires to be Gods elect they should think of two things, is this the prompting of the Holy Spirit which is pure or is it the carnal mind wanting to assert itself ?
I come to believe that whatever we human beings do is totally self centered in all things in all areas, anything that we do that is good can only be from God if one is not saved or by the prompting of the Holy spirit if one is on their way to salvation because we are not saved as of now but are in process of being saved.
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Rick, I really do get it that God is in control of all things and yes as long as we are in this flesh we are subject to error. Sometimes I wonder if we might overthink some of these things and just get stuck. But to desire to be among the chosen few is always a good thing whatever the motive, even if you are not chosen it would still benefit you to seek Christ. Anyway here is a couple of Scripture that show how they dealt with people that were outside of Christ's chosen few followers.
Php 1:15 Some are preaching the Messiah because of jealousy and dissension, while others do so because of their good will.
v. 16 The latter are motivated by love, because they know that I have been appointed to defend the gospel.
v. 17 The former proclaim the Messiah because they are selfishly ambitious and insincere, thinking that they will stir up trouble for me during my imprisonment.
v. 18 But so what? Just this—that in every way, whether by false or true motives, the Messiah is being proclaimed. Because of this, I rejoice and will continue to rejoice. (ISV)
Luke 9:49 John answered, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not follow with us."
v. 50 But Jesus said to him, "Do not stop him, for the one who is not against you is for you."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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