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Losing the Holy Spirit
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 10, 2015, 11:35:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on October 10, 2015, 10:43:32 AM ---
I am a carnal minded man sold under sin who God has dragged to Himself and is teaching and training me as He does all other believers to grow in righteousness, the end of that training is when I believe we then have the mind of Christ in full measure until then we are subjected to error.
I am not there yet and that is why I question my motives because I do not have the mind of Christ in full measure for if I did I would not have sinned because Christ did not sin.
The human heart is deceitful above all things and I trust myself for nothing in this life so I question everything that is given me to question.
If one desires to be Gods elect they should think of two things, is this the prompting of the Holy Spirit which is pure or is it the carnal mind wanting to assert itself ?
I come to believe that whatever we human beings do is totally self centered in all things in all areas, anything that we do that is good can only be from God if one is not saved or by the prompting of the Holy spirit if one is on their way to salvation because we are not saved as of now but are in process of being saved.
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Rick, I really do get it that God is in control of all things and yes as long as we are in this flesh we are subject to error. Sometimes I wonder if we might overthink some of these things and just get stuck. But to desire to be among the chosen few is always a good thing whatever the motive, even if you are not chosen it would still benefit you to seek Christ. Anyway here is a couple of Scripture that show how they dealt with people that were outside of Christ's chosen few followers.
Php 1:15 Some are preaching the Messiah because of jealousy and dissension, while others do so because of their good will.
v. 16 The latter are motivated by love, because they know that I have been appointed to defend the gospel.
v. 17 The former proclaim the Messiah because they are selfishly ambitious and insincere, thinking that they will stir up trouble for me during my imprisonment.
v. 18 But so what? Just this—that in every way, whether by false or true motives, the Messiah is being proclaimed. Because of this, I rejoice and will continue to rejoice. (ISV)
Luke 9:49 John answered, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not follow with us."
v. 50 But Jesus said to him, "Do not stop him, for the one who is not against you is for you."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Very interesting scriptures Kat. I've read them before but I havn't pondered them long. Such an interesting topic in that regard.
God bless,
Alex
rick:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 10, 2015, 11:35:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on October 10, 2015, 10:43:32 AM ---
I am a carnal minded man sold under sin who God has dragged to Himself and is teaching and training me as He does all other believers to grow in righteousness, the end of that training is when I believe we then have the mind of Christ in full measure until then we are subjected to error.
I am not there yet and that is why I question my motives because I do not have the mind of Christ in full measure for if I did I would not have sinned because Christ did not sin.
The human heart is deceitful above all things and I trust myself for nothing in this life so I question everything that is given me to question.
If one desires to be Gods elect they should think of two things, is this the prompting of the Holy Spirit which is pure or is it the carnal mind wanting to assert itself ?
I come to believe that whatever we human beings do is totally self centered in all things in all areas, anything that we do that is good can only be from God if one is not saved or by the prompting of the Holy spirit if one is on their way to salvation because we are not saved as of now but are in process of being saved.
--- End quote ---
Rick, I really do get it that God is in control of all things and yes as long as we are in this flesh we are subject to error. Sometimes I wonder if we might overthink some of these things and just get stuck. But to desire to be among the chosen few is always a good thing whatever the motive, even if you are not chosen it would still benefit you to seek Christ. Anyway here is a couple of Scripture that show how they dealt with people that were outside of Christ's chosen few followers.
Php 1:15 Some are preaching the Messiah because of jealousy and dissension, while others do so because of their good will.
v. 16 The latter are motivated by love, because they know that I have been appointed to defend the gospel.
v. 17 The former proclaim the Messiah because they are selfishly ambitious and insincere, thinking that they will stir up trouble for me during my imprisonment.
v. 18 But so what? Just this—that in every way, whether by false or true motives, the Messiah is being proclaimed. Because of this, I rejoice and will continue to rejoice. (ISV)
Luke 9:49 John answered, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not follow with us."
v. 50 But Jesus said to him, "Do not stop him, for the one who is not against you is for you."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hi Kat,
If one is incline to be here and to learn from Rays teaching it must be of God and yes I do agree its very beneficial to learn as much as one is afforded to learn from Rays teaching, as you know, his teachings are of God.
I also thought about that aspect too of not being the elect and had question that saying why stay,
first, being in the white throne judgement with false doctrine initially must be a frightful thing to believe your going to be cast into a fiery torment without end without any hope of being released.
2nd being in the white throne judgement with the understanding of this forum is a good thing, 1st we know there is no such place as hell as taught by Christendom 2nd we know what Gods plan for all humanity is so there is a great advantage to learn the things of God now.
Although we are no different from the rest of humanity we are specially blessed by God to learn these things now which indeed do give us hope for being in the first resurrection and if we discover our hope was false, we know it shall not be false the 2nd time around but with certainty except for those who will not be forgiven in this aged 0r the next age to come because they gave credit to Satan rather than God and by doing so they have committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit such as the pharisee who said Christ expelled demons by the chief demon.
I think there is something to be said of those here who are forever questioning everything about themselves, their faith and about their sins, the base things of this world will know and understand if resurrected in the first resurrection it truly was of God and not themselves, there shall be no boasting but only thankfulness.
I want to be in the first resurrection but more over, its what Christ wants but if I am excepting of being in the first resurrection I should also be excepting of the 2nd and maybe its that, excepting Gods choice regardless of what we want, after all, is there someone who does not agree that Father knows best.
Kat, I always thank you for your response, sometimes I learn from them other times you reinforce what I already know making me stronger in that knowledge. I see You’re a very caring person with a good understanding of Gods truths and you’re a great spiritual asset to this forum as well.
God bless you Kat and everyone else too. :)
repottinger:
Thank you very much, Alex.
God bless you, too.
Sincerely,
Randy
Terry:
This post has been much help to me,my heart goes out to Rick as it seems we were cut from the same cloth, i also know we all are in a fight like we've never known before but as hard as it is i still have unspeakable Joy knowing these beautiful truths of God there's so much i don't understand yet, so i try to meditate on what Jesus has shown me so far, i tell you this i'm in Love with this man from Galilee no matter how hard it gets i still feel love and joy.
We are so much help to one another whether we realize it or not and that's not by chance either and i agree with Rick on this also,
Kat, I always thank you for your response, sometimes I learn from them other times you reinforce what I already know making me stronger in that knowledge. I see You’re a very caring person with a good understanding of Gods truths and you’re a great spiritual asset to this forum as well.
God bless you Kat and everyone else too.
Love you all
Terry
Kat:
I will say this place is unequivocally a blessing to me. I come here to fellowship with like minded believers, and I think we really need this. I know that it can be hard to share exactly what we are thinking in our conversations, and so misunderstandings do occur. But I think if we desire the contact enough and strive to not be offended, it is of great benefit to us. So I will continue to insert myself into these discussions and hope we all can gain a positive benefit from this less than perfect attempt at communicating.
We are a family and that includes to good the bad and the ugly aspects of it ;D
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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