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Losing the Holy Spirit
Gina:
I think Galatians is a reference to the fact that those who are One with Christ are so entwined with Him ( or "clothed" with Him) and the things of God that you won't be able to tell them apart.
No one will be able to tell them apart because they have become just like Him having been clothed with Christ. Nobody will be able to see where Christ begins and His spiritual "bride" (brothers and sisters/flock) ends, for lack of a better phrase.
They may have differences (according to the world's standards), but they themselves (his flock/bride) aren't looking at the differences between themselves and comparing themselves with one another in a worldly manner and sizing each other up.
There will not be any major differences between them -- because they will act and talk and behave like Christ having clothed themselves with Him (or having been clothed by Him).
Gal. 3
27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
They just aren't looking on the outward appearances any more because they all pretty much look like Christ.
There’s a Rock Opera, ‘Jesus Christ Superstar’ Anyone ever heard of that? In there, there’s a song - Mary Magdalene sings this song and it’s entitled, ‘I don’t know how to love Him.’ It goes like this…
JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR:
I Don't Know How To Love Him
MARY MAGDALENE--
I don't know how to love him.
What to do, how to move him...
...I don't see why he moves me.
HE’S A MAN. HE’S JUST A MAN
And I've had so many men before,
In very many ways,
He's just one more.
Should I bring him down?
Should I scream and shout?
Should I speak of love,
Let my feelings out?
I never thought I'd come to this.
What's it all about?
Is that Jesus, just a man some girl might fall in lust over, just a man?
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11521.msg99632.html#msg99632
Kat:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 12, 2015, 05:49:59 PM ---And the verse you quoted from Mark. Jesus said they would not marry in the Resurrection. It is the Greek word gameo---marriage. Jesus didn't say anything about sex. Marriage and sex are two different words---two different things.
As I said before, no one can provide two Scriptures that say no sex. People are just giving personal opinions and getting emotional about something that God does not specifically discuss, either way.
Peace. God will sort it all out.
--- End quote ---
John, the Bible clearly prohibits all sexual relations outside of marriage.
Heb 13:4 Let marriage be had in honor among all, and let the bed be undefiled: for fornicators and adulterers God will judge. (ASV)
Homosexuality forbidden Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:24-28
Bestiality forbidden Leviticus 18:23
So if there is no marriage in the next age, where is the sexual relations?
Col 3:5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication(G4202), uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
v. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience,
G4202 porneia - harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
John, the Bible clearly prohibits all sexual relations outside of marriage.
-Kat
Yes, you are correct Kat. In this age.
But I wonder about the ages to come. I wonder why God will have sons and daughters if no sex? There is the Scripture that says, At your right hand are pleasures evermore.
You have to understand. I do not see in the Scriptures where God made a mistake in creating sexual differences. Sex by itself is not evil. Like everything else, it is the unlawful use of something that makes it a sin
I don't know. No definitive Scriptures about this point in the ages to come. I will ask again. Do you have two definitive Scriptures that will answer this question? Not two Scriptures that you tell us what they mean. But two Scriptures that will stand alone, without editorial input?
Gina:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 12, 2015, 07:01:51 PM ---John, the Bible clearly prohibits all sexual relations outside of marriage.
-Kat
Yes, you are correct Kat. In this age.
But I wonder about the ages to come. I wonder why God will have sons and daughters if no sex? There is the Scripture that says, At your right hand are pleasures evermore.
You have to understand. I do not see in the Scriptures where God made a mistake in creating sexual differences. Sex by itself is not evil. Like everything else, it is the unlawful use of something that makes it a sin
I don't know. No definitive Scriptures about this point in the ages to come. I will ask again. Do you have two definitive Scriptures that will answer this question? Not two Scriptures that you tell us what they mean. But two Scriptures that will stand alone, without editorial input?
--- End quote ---
Who here said God made a mistake making sexual differences? It's only men and women who look on the outward appearance and not on the heart who have problems with that.
You say, "I wonder why God would have sons and daughters if no sex?"
Really?
Jesus Christ came into existence without ever being conceived through sexual intercourse, DUH!
So that means HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS WILL ALSO BECOME SONS AND DAUGHTERS THROUGH THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!
There is sex now in this present age, you think a hundred billion people throughout the ages aren't enough children for God to fill with the Holy Spirit? He needs us to have more wantonness and craving for physical sex to bring Him pleasure?
That's stupid, haha!!
You said that, "but doesn't scripture say, At your right hand are pleasures evermore."
Does "scripture" really and truly insinuate that pleasure cannot be had without sexual intercourse, John? Obviously it can be had because Jesus Christ is pleasure and Jesus Christ has sat down at God's right hand!
Concordant Literal Version
Psalm 16:11 I poise Yahweh in front of me continually; Because He is at my right hand, I shall not slip at all."
9 Wherefore, my heart rejoices, and my glory shall exult; Indeed, my flesh, it shall tabernacle in serenity."
10 For You shall not forsake my soul in the unseen; You shall not allow Your benign one to see corruption.
11 You shall acquaint me with the path of life; Satisfying rejoicings are in Your presence; PLEASANTNESS is at Your right hand. {Permanent}
Definition of Pleasant: (of a person or their manner) friendly and considerate; likable. "they found him pleasant and cooperative"
synonyms: friendly, agreeable, amiable, nice, genial, cordial, likable, amicable, good-humored, good-natured, personable; hospitable, approachable, gracious, courteous, polite, obliging, helpful, considerate; charming, lovely, delightful, sweet, sympathetic, simpatico
I don't see the word sexual in any of those synonyms for pleasure.
What is at the "right hand of God"? Pleasure/pleasantness
Who is at the right hand of God?
21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God,
Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.
Matthew 22:44
"'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."'
(Doesn't sound to me like being a footstool for His feet will be pleasurable position to find yourself in.)
And I could list out another 2 or 3 which says Jesus Christ is at the right of God.
What exactly are you insinuating God's right hand is doing, John? Are you trying to be ssssssssssubtle, or does it just come naturally to you?
Kat:
So Jesus' own words in Matt 22:30 and Luke 20:35 saying there will be no marriage in the age to come is not enough for you? Really? And do you wonder in the ages to come if maybe the commandment of "you shall not commit adultery" will be done away with? Really?
This age serves many purpose and sex is one of them, but it is a thing of the flesh... the next age will be learning righteousness, the things of the Spirit. What we are born as in this age (male or female) is part of who we are (just like with Christ) no need to change that. Your carnal desires seem to have made you blind to all the many Scripture that I and others have provided...
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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