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Losing the Holy Spirit
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Gina on October 12, 2015, 04:25:52 PM ---Sometimes I think, John, the only reason you want to be in God's presence is because of the women you hope to sleep with some day. I think more likely you would hate God and turn your back on Him if you were to discover that mere messy sexual intercourse (which isn't always pleasurable for the woman) isn't what God has in store for those who love Him.
It sounds like you are angry at the prospect of not getting sex in the hereafter.
There is no "wisdom" in the act of sexual intercourse. If there is, tell us why Jesus held up bread and wine and said, eat and drink this in remembrance of Me?
Aside from children (which many couples cannot have), what have you gained from having sex, John? Love? Do you really think sex is love?
And you call me ignorant of the scriptures. I think you are ignorant of your own wanton craven needs, and you are not seeking God but the thrill of sex in order that you might be worshiped and adored and made to feel "good" because you are an extremely insecure human being who talks (like the women Paul talked about in Timothy) too much! Don't wear your (exceedingly weak) heart on your sleeve, like that, John! Don't let it "hang all out" for the entire world to see! Cover it up, buttercup!
--- End quote ---
Can sweet water come from a bitter well?
Dennis Vogel:
I am not talking about this current physical life where sex is necessary:
Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
But in the next life:
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Gina:
28 Peter began to say to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You."
29 Jesus said, "Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake,
30 but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life
They will be receiving in the present age, now, not just hundred times as much houses and brother and sisters and mothers and children and farms, but with all of that ... persecutions. Then, in the age to come, they will receive eternal life.
Imagine that they, in the present age, received hundreds times more houses and brothers and sisters (Luke mentioned having left "wives") and children, etc., Jesus said His words are spirit and truth. So they received all that, but it was a spiritual family of brothers and wives and sisters and children, not literally; otherwise, they would have all had to have gotten married hundreds of times over! Which would have been adultery!
Acts 2
40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!"
41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.
That's many hundreds times more than what they left, right? They received all that right along with persecutions....
I hardly think that Paul and the other Apostles were having sex with all these spiritual "wives" that the Lord gave to them to be in the spiritual family of God, when it was they who were preaching against adultery and perverseness, and about being saved from a perverse generation.
Paul said he was content to remain unmarried. Although, there was a time when he spoke about wanting a wife of his own (I think), that was not his mission in life.
Besides, how was he going to take care of wife and children with all the care of the churches and all of his persecutions? I don't think Paul was so callous as to not realize that he would be bringing all his persecutions into a marriage and family. I don't think Paul was earthly minded:
One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and his interests are divided.
Paul's interests were not divided.
lilitalienboi16:
Dennis,
I believe Galatians is more of a reference to the fact that God is no respecter (Acts 10:34, 1 Peter 1:17) of persons and less about whether the differences between men and women will cease. We have many verses which testify to the fact that God is making children (men and women) and specifically a reference to son's and daughters, which infers a sexual difference between the two genders must continue to exist if we are to continue as son's and daughters in the next age.
Romans 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children [males and female] of God.
2 Corinthians 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
God bless,
Alex
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on October 12, 2015, 04:48:51 PM ---I am not talking about this current physical life where sex is necessary:
Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
But in the next life:
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
--- End quote ---
Hello Dennis,
Alex stated my thoughts regarding Gal 3:28. God is no respecter of persons. Men will not be treated superior to women in the world to come.
But the Scriptures he quoted indicate there will be sexual differences. What is the difference between sons and daughters? Their sexual parts. If no sexual differences, then instead of sons and daughters, God would have its and its. One reason God is so opposed to homosexuality is God made them male and female. God does not approve when humans try to change the way He made things.
And the verse you quoted from Mark. Jesus said they would not marry in the Resurrection. It is the Greek word gameo---marriage. Jesus didn't say anything about sex. Marriage and sex are two different words---two different things.
As I said before, no one can provide two Scriptures that say no sex. People are just giving personal opinions and getting emotional about something that God does not specifically discuss, either way.
Peace. God will sort it all out.
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