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Losing the Holy Spirit
Dennis Vogel:
We should feel bad for all those poor Muslims expecting their 72 virgins. They may get them but all they can do is look :(
Gina:
I rather would feel sorry for the 72 virgins being lusted after like that by a bunch of ..... LOL .... dogs.
Hopefully what I'm about to say is in keeping with the original post - losing the Holy Spirit. If not, sorry. I noticed something really interesting in Genesis recently. This was an eye opener to me and I was amazed.
Gen 2
7 Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nostrils, and the man became a living person.
8 Then the LORD God planted a garden in Eden in the east, and there he placed the man he had made.
9 The LORD God made all sorts of trees grow up from the ground—trees that were beautiful and that produced delicious fruit. In the middle of the garden he placed the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Do you see that? First He formed the man out of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils. Then, after man had already become a living soul, God then planted the Garden in Eden where the tree of life and the tree of knowledge were.
Then after that God went back and got the man and placed the man in the Garden of Eden (God means "placer").
I have read that a zillion times and only recently realized that Adam (the man) was not formed from the dust of the ground in the Garden of Eden.... !!
Okay, so it gets more interesting. So then, Adam's there and he's all lonely and God puts him to sleep and builds up woman for him, and then Satan enters the Garden of Eden, deceives Eve, and God throws them both out of the Garden .... wait for it....
Gen 2:23 So the LORD God banished them from the Garden of Eden, and he sent Adam out to cultivate the ground from which he had been made.
Wow! Adam was placed in the Garden of Eden, he wasn't made or formed there in the very beginning !
Then, Adam screwed up, got kicked out of the Garden, and God put him back in the place from which he was originally made to till the ground that God made him from... wow! Remember? There was no man to till the soil? God never said there was no man to till the Garden of Eden... God didn't need Adam to till the soil in the Garden of Eden apparently because everything was already in full bloom and all their needs were met!
I don't know... What do you all think? What does it all represent? It's like, God's just moving them all over the place! (And Christians think they have free will and God doesn't direct their steps!) God's forming man in one place and then placing him in a ready made garden, and then kicking him out and putting man back in the place where he was made, to till the soil there to reap thorns and thistles by the sweat of his brow.
Maybe I am getting this wrong, but when God asked Adam to tend to the garden of Eden, God wasn't asking Adam to work the ground/ soil in order to make anything grow, because Eden was already planted for them and full grown and waiting for them by the time God placed them in it. This is how it appears to me. To tend means to work, of course, but it mainly means to minister to or to oversee or protect or guard. Wow. This is fascinating to me. I don't know about the rest of you...
John from Kentucky:
What utter ignorance of the Scriptures.
Sex was created by God and it was good.
Only unlawful sex is condemned as sin.
It is O.K. for married couples to lust (desire) after one another. Only unlawful lust is sin.
You have an entire book of Scriptures, the Song of Songs, that describes sexual desires between a man and woman. It is a book of Scripture. It is one of the five festival scrolls, which were read during one of the annual holy festivals.
Do you know when the Song of Songs was officially read? During the Passover. A book about physical love was read during the festival that represented the love between Christ and humanity.
This hatred of sex is not of God. Satan's church has an underlying disapproval of one aspect of God's creation.
There is a Scripture that tells us that the spiritual can be understood by the physical creation. Sex among human kind, animal kind, and even plant kind is a pervasive aspect of life---created by God.
This aversion to lawful sex was not known among the Hebrews or in their Scriptures. It was only with the formation of the false Cristian churches did you have this condemnation of sex.
In fact, Scriptures tell us in the last days, such teachings are the doctrines of demons.
So beware of your words and your teachings.
Gina:
I don't see sex mentioned in the Song of Songs at all. I see no mention of sexual intercourse. Where is it? You're imagining that. You see kisses? So what? What makes you think they're french kissing? These are all symbols of something far more glorious than physical sex. Solomon was inspired to write these things but who understands? Not the prophet Solomon, who in all his glory -- all his wealth, status and wives, was not even arrayed as one of these.... lilies of the field, as Jesus pointed out.
How many wives did Solomon have? Do you honestly think that he was commended by God for his wanton, craven desires, for which he was never, EVER satisfied?
Per Kings "Solomon had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines, and his wives turned his heart away. For when Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart away after other gods; and his heart was not wholly devoted to the LORD his God..."
Solomon was inspired to write in Eccl 7:
26 I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare,
whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains.
The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.
[Solomon was ensnared...]
28 while I was still searching but not finding— I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all.
I hardly think that Solomon, after all that, was inspired to write in Songs so highly of an earthly female (having not found one upright woman among them ALL) in the context of a physical marriage relationship.
He was speaking of something spiritual. God's word is spirit, and all who worship him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. The FLESH profits nothing.
Gina:
Sometimes I think, John, the only reason you want to be in God's presence is because of the women you hope to sleep with some day. I think more likely you would hate God and turn your back on Him if you were to discover that mere messy sexual intercourse (which isn't always pleasurable for the woman) isn't what God has in store for those who love Him.
It sounds like you are angry at the prospect of not getting sex in the hereafter.
There is no "wisdom" in the act of sexual intercourse. If there is, tell us why Jesus held up bread and wine and said, eat and drink this in remembrance of Me?
Aside from children (which many couples cannot have), what have you gained from having sex, John? Love? Do you really think sex is love?
And you call me ignorant of the scriptures. I think you are ignorant of your own wanton craven needs, and you are not seeking God but the thrill of sex in order that you might be worshiped and adored and made to feel "good" because you are an extremely insecure human being who talks (like the women Paul talked about in Timothy) too much! Don't wear your (exceedingly weak) heart on your sleeve, like that, John! Don't let it "hang all out" for the entire world to see! Cover it up, buttercup!
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