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The Cross
Jeff:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on October 08, 2015, 10:33:57 PM ---Jeff -
Someone whose three month old son tragically died said that no one loved her son more than her.
I believe Our Father and Our Saviour loved her son more than she did; as His Love is greater than ours.
I also believe that all suffering each of us all have is shared by Him.
Each of us have our own share of pain and suffering - but He has all of our combined aggregated pain and suffering.
He shares His Great Love with us - and He shares our great pain and suffering with us.
He is in total control of all things - but not remote of the pain and suffering we all experience - as He is part of all of us and we are all part of Him.
It is s like the pain a mother or father has when their child is suffering - except He has suffered the child's pain with the child.
He forces us all to suffer - and He suffers with each and every human being.
The Father also suffered with Jesus the pain Jesus suffered on the Cross and all that led to the Cross.
I believe that the suffering of Jesus leading to the cross, and on the cross was the greatest imposed on a human being.
I too hate all the evil in the world - and Our Heavenly Father states that Jesus loves Righteousness and hates wickedness.
I hope this helps.
Kind Regards.
In Holy Spirit.
George.
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George,
Thank you, but WHY?
God taught us to pray for understanding, knowledge and wisdom.
I pray for this and don't know. Is my question heretical? Is it wrong to question? Is it wrong to seek answers? The horror we inflict on each other is beyond my ability to just accept. Accepting would mean complacency. Are we called to that?
How much suffering is enough?
I don't know the mind of God, but I am, we are, His Creation. He gave us minds that question, and desire to understand. Our hearts are fashioned by Him. Is it evil to desire a Spiritual understanding of evil? Especially when it's truly horrific?
if I had more faith I would pray for the destruction of this exceedingly sinful world. I continuously ask Him to remove me from it, because it's more than I can bear.
cheekie3:
Jeff -
I believe many of us on this Forum share your concerns, but I do not believe anyone here has the answers you are seeking.
Here are my further thoughts on this:
God knows all things.
Mankind does its own thing, with each one of us having our own unique belief system based on what we were taught when we were young.
When we mature, we correct some of these false beliefs but not the majority.
All of us desire to learn The Truth; and know why we are here - and what this is all about.
Most cling to their false beliefs all their lives - even those who know there is a Creator.
I always thought I was different - and I believe we all have this thought - as His endgame is to make us all in His Image but yet unique like precious stones.
His Elect Called Out Ones are imparted with Holy Spirit and He begins His work in them - and they start to learn and understand His Absolute Truths, which bring knowledge and True Wisdom.
I believe all of us here on this Forum hate the wickedness in this world we live in - and some desire the authority and power to change it.
As we are changed by Him, we are Perfect in the Part He has molded us in His Image.
To change the wickedness completely, we need the Mind of God - or rather He already has His Master Plan.
I despair daily on how those I interact with perceive reality.
I look to how much I have changed, and it is a miracle that I no longer hate people for the hurt they have given me - instead I really care for them and live as a Living Letter to show them The Truth in simple ways - yet I know they do not want to know, and hate me for it.
We all mature, and most of us here on this Forum have learnt a lot of His Truths.
We are living in this current evil age, although it is the age of Grace for His Elect - and there is nothing we can do about it - even if our knowledge increased a thousandfold.
The Elect are being Trained by Him to be Judges and Rulers in the next age with Jesus Christ. We are instructed that this cannot be done without both Good and Evil. The tree is a single tree of the knowledge of Good and the knowledge of Evil - as no human being can know Good without knowing Evil, as only by contrast do we learn to choose to do Good.
I long for the time when all will know His Righteousness and no longer cling to their own false beliefs and opinions.
I do not believe any one of us here on this Forum know, or even Ray himself knew, the answer to your valid question.
He forces us to live in this age, in this evil world, with the people who are our families, friends and colleagues - with all these frustrations and deep suffering - but we have the hope of His endgame within us.
Regards in Holy Spirit.
George.
se7en:
Jeff,
I do not pretend to understand why God creates people the way He does. I could not do what God does. I am not capable of seeing the need for evil to the extent that God sees the need for evil and suffering. All I can say is that I do see that God does not pass the buck onto either the Devil or to man:
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind [or crippled, deformed and raped]? have not I the LORD?
So if God were not intending to save all of His creation, then He really would be the monster which the eternal torment crowd makes Him out to be. But the Truth, of course, is that God is not a monster who would either leave a person in eternal fire or in a crippled, raped, or maimed condition. He will instead use all of this evil which he has created to show us how useless this dying flesh is to begin with. All of this evil that we see physically is a type and shadow of men spiritually without the knowledge of God and Christ:
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life
Rest assured, Jeff, that mankind will come, one day to "know God and Jesus Christ whom God has sent." I know you are familiar with these verses but I am repeating them for your comfort:
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
All of this evil and suffering is there to humble us and it is very temporary. The tree of the knowledge of good AND evil... We do not know how GOOD something can be without knowing how EVIL something can be. It is needed for the salvation of all in due time.
I hope this has been comforting to you.
John from Kentucky:
On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it ?
Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?
What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction.
And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory.
Romans 9:20-23
dave:
I must agree with cheekie3 , "I believe many of us on this Forum share your concerns, but I do not believe anyone here has the answers you are seeking."
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