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rick:
Hi Kat,
It seems what Ray is saying is that God is Holy and God is Spirit, ( Holy Spirit ) so I think God is the Holy Spirit but then Ray goes on to mention the Holy Spirit “ of “ God.
Then Ray goes on to say that nowhere in Scripture is the Holy Spirit "of" God called God and there is no such thing as God the Holy Spirit.
So the Holy Spirit is not God but the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and that God the Father is not the "Father of the Holy Spirit.
Now Jesus Christ was "conceived by the HOLY SPIRIT and Mary, was made pregnant by His Father's "Holy Spirit.
Now, this is an interesting quote from Ray,( I have always said that God's Spirit is God. That what God does through His spirit is GOD DOING IT, and not someone else. The Spirit of God is not SOME OTHER PERSON, but God Himself.)
Now according to Ray Jesus is the personification of the Holy Spirit, His Spirit Father living in Him therefore the person of Jesus is the He Him but not the Spirit of God in Him
So now, God the Father has a Spirit but the Holy Sprit has no God so the Holy Spirit is an it, not a He or a Him.
Ray taught that we have a body and a spirit and together they produce the soul and that the soul is who we are, the seat of our emotions. I’m wondering if the Holy Spirit is the Soul of God if you will ?
Or could it be that the Holy Spirit is the power of God ?
What’s throwing me off I guess is that the Holy Spirit is not a He or a Him but it was the Holy Spirit that made Mary pregnant ?
Have you any other thoughts on the matter ?
God bless. :)
Kat:
Hi Rick, to my understanding the Holy Spirit is the power of God the Father, it's like an attribute of His, the means by which He operates. I do not think of it as a title or name for God, like Ray said "the holy spirit is something that God the Father possesses," it's like a characteristic or inherent part of Him.
--- Quote ---Now Jesus Christ was "conceived by the HOLY SPIRIT and Mary, was made pregnant by His Father's "Holy Spirit.
--- End quote ---
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.
Notice that this verse says when the Holy Spirit would come to Mary it was the "power of the Most High," it wasn't something separate from the Father, it was the Father that caused her to become impregnated, by His power, Holy Spirit.
Also notice how all these Scripture make the connection between God's power and His Holy spirit.
Luke 4:14 Then Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and news of Him went out through all the surrounding region.
Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
Rom 1:4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.
Rom 15:13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Hope that is helpful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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rick:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 16, 2015, 09:07:56 PM ---
Hi Rick, to my understanding the Holy Spirit is the power of God the Father
--- End quote ---
Hi Kat,
So, I see the Holy Spirit is the power of God the Father and the intelligent’s behind the Holy Spirit is God the Father.
The Holy Spirit executes the Fathers desires and Gen 1 :2 and Luke 1 :35 are two matches to say this is Gods truth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.
Thanks Kat and God Bless. :)
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