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Wittenberg:
So well put Dave. It's language that has been perverted, not truth. (though lies can be presented as truth).

I had a thought last night after reading some of the responses.
If my kidney or some other organ was removed from my body and someone asked it who/what it was, it could answer in three ways:
1. I am a kidney
2. I am Wittenberg's kidney
3. I am Wittenberg

All three are correct ways of being identified. Obviously my kidney is not the totality of me, but it is me.

Kat:

--- Quote from: Wittenberg on December 29, 2015, 01:08:52 PM ---So well put Dave. It's language that has been perverted, not truth. (though lies can be presented as truth).

I had a thought last night after reading some of the responses.
If my kidney or some other organ was removed from my body and someone asked it who/what it was, it could answer in three ways:
1. I am a kidney
2. I am Wittenberg's kidney
3. I am Wittenberg

All three are correct ways of being identified. Obviously my kidney is not the totality of me, but it is me.

--- End quote ---

Hi Wittenburg, that is an analogy I have thought could apply too. Like an analogy of Jesus being the arm of God the Father, the body... the arm would be in complete harmony with whatever the body wanted it to do, never doing it's own thing, but what the body tells it to do. Being joined/knit perfectly together as one of it's parts, the arm is part of the whole, one with it.

This same type analogy applies to the elect, in having the earnest/promise of the Holy Spirit they become joined to God, so they too have the name God, as the sons/daughters of God.

1John 3:2  Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Wittenberg:
Thank you Kat for that double witness.

Kat:

--- Quote from: jingle52 on December 29, 2015, 05:25:27 AM ---Kat and Octoberose I think you got it right , how else could the Father resurrect the Son if He was dead as the Son? Doesn't make sense. There are two Deities. The Father is the Eternal and Supreme Being and His Son was maninfested in the flesh, so many Scriptures attest to this fact.
This is my understanding.

What about the Family and the Sons of God mentioned in the Scriptures? The Father is the head of this Family and Jesus on His right hand governing this Family/Sons of God. When God holds His counsel in heaven who is with Him? His Family/Sons of God, elders etc...

We are promised to become children /sons/ daughters of God... to take part of His family, when Jesus gives over everything to the Father, how can He give over something to Himself as some believe?
To me, there is only one singular God and that is the Father, He is the Supreme God, ruler of the Family of God and Jesus His Son the Governer of the Family of God and of the Universe under the Father.
That is my understanding.
God Bless you All
Jingle
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Hi Jingle, here are a few things that I think are worth considering.

Omnipercipience/Omnipercipient -- Perceiving every thing.

Omnipotence/Omnipotent/Omnipotently -- Almighty; possessing unlimited power; all powerful.

Omnipresence/Omnipresent/Omnipresential -- Presence in every place at the same time; unbounded or universal presence; ubiquity.

Omniscience/Omniscient/Omniscious -- The quality of knowing all things at once; universal knowledge; knowledge unbounded or infinite.

This is what God is... the Father is the source of all these things, because Jesus said multiple times that He received it all from the Father.

Matt 11:27  All things have been delivered to Me by My Father... also (Luke 10:22)

John 3:35  The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.

John 5:26  For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
v. 27  and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.

John 13:3  Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come from God and was going to God,

John 17:1  Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
v. 2  as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.

1Cor 15:27  For He put all things under His feet. But when He says that all things have been put under His feet, it is plain that it excepts Him who has put all things under Him.

The Father is the eternal and Supreme Being, yes, and the Son being one with the Father, possesses the quality of God, is equal to God (Php 2:6), because He is God too. Here is what Jesus said.

John 14:9  ...He who has seen Me has seen the Father...

John 12:45  And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.

Col 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
v. 16  For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
v. 17  And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

But His Son is not another being, there is no Scripture that support the idea of there being 2 deities. The Father is supreme and brought forth the Son, who has always been God, "God was manifested in the flesh"(1Tim 3:16).

The Son is the image of God, so that we can actually see Him, because we can certainly connect better with what we can literally see. Christ was brought forth first "before all things" (col 1:17), to create and be over all things in this creation. Christ has received everything "inherently" from the source of all power, glory and everything there is, because the Son is part of the Godhead/Divinity, They are one, inseparable and not separated in 2 parts.

Heb 1:1  God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
v. 2  has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
v. 3  who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:4  having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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