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Fasting?
Mike Gagne:
--- Quote ---fasting from physical food will make you grumpy, irritated, impatient, etc. It may provide a good training ground and circumstance to exercise those spiritual muscles of self control, patience, joy, etc
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Sorry Largeli, but that all seems like you have to do something, you have to fast in order to receive something. Sounds churchie...
self just gets in the way....
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
It all comes back to who is sovereign? Stello after receiving counsel and you decide to try a fast that's ok because Jesus rules in the kingdom men and none can stay his hand. But no sense going hungry for something that isn't necessary.
--- Quote ---Fasting can be very valuable for exercising the fruits of the spirit... Driving during rush hour traffic also provides opportunities to extend patience and even forgiveness to others, lol!
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It isn't you who exercises it, it is Him, your carnal mind wants nothing to do with such things....
R.P.J to those of the house of God
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Michael G on February 04, 2016, 03:30:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on February 04, 2016, 01:41:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: Michael G on February 04, 2016, 01:28:26 PM ---Ok Alex, here my second witness
1Co 3:13 Mikes work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try Mikes work of what sort it is.
Don't know if your statement was ment for me?
The truth is it is all one and it all fits. Yes to establish a truth 2 witnesses are needed, but let's not deny the truth of any scripture. You can give several witnesses to some and they won't see it. and you can give one witness to some and they will see it all through out his word! And it is in his word where we worship in spirit and truth and some have that word working right in there heart.
Peace to the brethren
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No Mike, I was responding to Stello. Your post was made while I was making mine and so I had not even read what you wrote yet when I posted mine. All I saw was Stello's and Kat's.
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Alex, sorry brother, just my carnal heart getting involved.
And I plucked it out and cast it down...
Righteousness, Peace and Joy to the Brethren
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Not a problem brother! :)
dave:
When I younger about 28 (I am now 71) and was first introduced to Pentecost, I was raised Lutheran, spent some time in Free Will Baptist, and well Pentecost was a sharp contrast and refreshing.
I married a girl who was always Pentecost and she new things I did not so I listened and studied. She had several pamphlets on fasting and other things from preachers saying how fasting and prayer would get things done. I was willing to try. Anyway my first fast[with just water] was 3 days, It was not that hard. I studied and prayed, I was not working at the time. My mind became clearer and I felt healthier.
My next fast was 5 days,[just water] I smoked and it was said fasting would help me stop, it did not. When I read and studied my mind was faster and more alert to the words, deeper I thought. I was a shouting and dancing believer. My last fast was 7 days[just water] and was about the same as the 5 day. I became more "spiritual" and of course was more into judgment preaching and prophesying. I was healthier even with losing some weight, my eyes seemed clearer, I could understand more, I was quicker in my thinking. I did not go to work so I had time. No prayers were answered that I know of, I still smoked.
Personally, I believe fasting is healthy, fasting does remove toxins, in the many years since, in and out of "church" I have thought about fasting because as I said I felt a whole lot better health wise when I did, but I have not fasted since 1978 and I might add, the Lord has answered prayers since.
So when I found out that food fasting is not in the Bible well it was an eye opener. Just thought I'd share.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Michael G on February 05, 2016, 09:24:50 PM ---
--- Quote ---fasting from physical food will make you grumpy, irritated, impatient, etc. It may provide a good training ground and circumstance to exercise those spiritual muscles of self control, patience, joy, etc
--- End quote ---
Sorry Largeli, but that all seems like you have to do something, you have to fast in order to receive something. Sounds churchie...
self just gets in the way....
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
It all comes back to who is sovereign? Stello after receiving counsel and you decide to try a fast that's ok because Jesus rules in the kingdom men and none can stay his hand. But no sense going hungry for something that isn't necessary.
--- Quote ---Fasting can be very valuable for exercising the fruits of the spirit... Driving during rush hour traffic also provides opportunities to extend patience and even forgiveness to others, lol!
--- End quote ---
It isn't you who exercises it, it is Him, your carnal mind wants nothing to do with such things....
R.P.J to those of the house of God
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You don't have to do anything... Fast, don't fast...
But you can't experience 'good' (patience, self control, etc.) without the experience of 'evil' (hungry, impatient, grumpy). All I was saying is that fasting, that is depriving your carnal body of the nourishment it needs to not die, will make your carnal body weak (grumpy, irritated, impatient). Your carnal body will lash out and throw a fit.
His strength is perfected in our weakness.
Look if God wants you to bear spiritual fruit then He will provide the circumstances necessary, with or without fasting. However If I fast, am I the one providing the circumstances necessary to bear fruit? Or has God caused me to fast and therefore He's still the one who provides the necessary conditions? Maybe He will use the rush hour commute home instead of fasting... Or maybe He will use a death in the family... Or a lost job. But just like Ray and everyone of us would agree upon, you cannot know 'good' without 'evil'.
But if one chooses to fast it's only because He caused that one to choose that.
Mike Gagne:
Your qoute
--- Quote ---But you can't experience 'good' (patience, self control, etc.) without the experience of 'evil' (hungry, impatient, grumpy). All I was saying is that fasting, that is depriving your carnal body of the nourishment it needs to not die, will make your carnal body weak (grumpy, irritated, impatient). Your carnal body will lash out and throw a fit.
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Self control, and how does that work? Here's my Quote,
My quote,
--- Quote ---It isn't you who exercises it, it is Him, your carnal mind wants nothing to do with such things....
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Maybe reread these...
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but my self must decrease.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself ( self ), and take up his cross, and follow me.
And,
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing:
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I ( Self ), but Christ liveth in me:
I see no room for self control, I must increase in my SELF decrease...
Maybe your relating like wise, but it sounds odd to me when self gets in involved, self is the one that exalts himself above all that is God...
Peace onto the House of God
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