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1 Cor 15:51
Mike Gagne:
Hi Dave, yes you got me thinking on that...
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Are the elect not seeing this now? I think so!
Isaiah 12:1-3 (KJV)
12:1 And in that day thou shalt say, O LORD, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me.
2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
And a second witness for the rest..
Isaiah 11:10-11 (BBE)
10 And in that day, the eyes of the nations will be turned to the root of Jesse which will be lifted up as the flag of the peoples; and his resting-place will be glory.
11 And in that day the hand of the Lord will be stretched out the second time to get back the rest of his people, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the sea-lands.
And then I am sure the rest will see this
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Do we not see that now? And will they not see it then? But will they see it with this added?
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
I am I seeing you right? I think your right it is a spiritual truth...
Kat:
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Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
The elect will hide in their "chambers" until His wrath has passed, sort of like Noah and his family hiding in the ark.
They only need to hide for a little moment, so I am guessing the things in Luke 21:25, 26 won't take too long.
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"My people" was the nation of Israel in the OT and later when Christ was on earth the Jews that crucified Him... isn't that who He is saying should hide from His coming wrath?
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So the Jews will be able to hide and Jesus will spare them from His wrath? I thought only the elect would be spared?
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Of course they cannot hide from Him, no more than any will. It's a figure of speak that implies the Jews should hide their face because they rejected their Savior when He was in the flesh.
Heb 4:13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 09, 2016, 02:43:30 PM ---Mat 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
So when Christ comes He will have His elect with Him, they will not be hiding.
Unless that "event" follows Luke 21:28.
Rev 19:11 Then I saw heaven standing open, and there was a white horse! Its Rider is named Faithful and True. He administers justice and wages war righteously.
v. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on His head are many royal crowns. He has a name written on Him that nobody knows except Himself.
v. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called the Word of God.
v. 14 The armies of heaven, wearing fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses.
Are these "events"? Or Spiritual truths? Does it only happen once, and only in the future? We've got to be careful with the Revelation.
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Certainly these Scripture have a spiritual application as well as a literal. When you see "new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband" (Rev 21:2). Is that just a spiritual truth or does it indicate Christ will literally return with the elect/bride to reign on earth?
He has come to the elect now in this life spiritually, but we anticipate His return and the resurrection of the rest of the elect, that I believe to be an actual event, yet future.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
Mike, Ray taught very clearly in the LOF series that the "events" of the Revelation were the Spiritual Revelation of Jesus Christ, and that they are present, past, and future...because they reveal HIM, and He is, was, and will be.
I have a quite tortured relationship to 'eschatologies'. What I have found (much to my surprise) in the past 8 years is that I am living one. Now. Further, I always have been, even in ignorance. And the best is yet to come.
Mike Gagne:
Hi Dave, so then what I said was in line?
He is, was and will be in all the events I stated.
Mike Gagne:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 09, 2016, 04:36:24 PM ---Mike, Ray taught very clearly in the LOF series that the "events" of the Revelation were the Spiritual Revelation of Jesus Christ, and that they are present, past, and future...because they reveal HIM, and He is, was, and will be.
I have a quite tortured relationship to 'eschatologies'. What I have found (much to my surprise) in the past 8 years is that I am living one. Now. Further, I always have been, even in ignorance. And the best is yet to come.
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Very True for me as well :)
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