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Luke 23:43
Mike Gagne:
Hi everyone , we also know that all must go through judgement!
Jeremiah 49:12 (KJV)
12 For thus saith the LORD; Behold, they whose judgment was not to drink of the cup have assuredly drunken;
Is that the thief on the cross who hasn't drank of the cup?
Isa 26:9 for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin ( if it begins then its first ) at the house of God:
Was the thief of the house of God and did he really go through judgement, I think not.
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is
1 Peter 1:7 (KJV)
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Something to ask your self, did the thief go through judgement by fire?
Like Dave said, the verse is not of its own interpretation, thanks Dave that was a great post. But I think if we look at what it takes to enter the Kingdom of God, the thief still has to pass through the fire!
Zechariah 13:9 (KJV)
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried:
1 Peter 4:12 (KJV)
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
Anyhow thats how I see it. Reading the lake of fire series makes it clear what it will take to become a son of God, FIRE for our GOD is a CONSUMING FIRE...
R.P and J
Michael
Kat:
One more point, these men crucified at the same time as Christ were "criminals" (verse 32). There was never a mention by Christ or Luke the author of the book or any other that the man that spoke to Christ was a brethren/believer.
Of much more significance is the man on the cross died BEFORE Christ was resurrected, so before the Spirit of Christ had come into people. Therefore besides not being a brethren, he would not have been eligible for the first resurrection, no more than John the Baptist was. Therefore the man asked to be remembered by Christ could not have been chosen. But Christ gave him a little glimpse of what the next age that the man would get to be a part of would be, a paradise. Just a point I thought worth mentioning.
Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Mike Gagne:
Hi Kat Excellent point thank you.
John 16:7-16 (ESV)
7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Luk 24:49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."
John 14:26 (ESV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
I guess if the thief was dead in the grave, none of the scriptures above would apply to him.
Michael
Nelson Boils:
TS1998 And יהושע said to him, “Truly, I say to you today, you shall be with Me in Paradise"
Deu 4:40 “And you shall guard His laws and His commands which I command you TODAY, so that it is well with you and with your children after you..,"
Deu 6:6 "And these words that I am commanding you TODAY,shall be on your heart"
Deu 7:11 “And you shall guard the command, and the laws, and the right-rulings which I command you TODAY, to do them."
Deu 31:27 "for I myself know your rebellion and your stiff neck. See, while I am still alive with you TODAY, you have been rebellious against יהוה, then how much more after my death? "
Deu 32:46 he said to them, “Set your heart on all the words with which I warn you TODAY, so that you command your children to guard to do all the Words..."
Mar 14:30 And יהושע said to him, “Truly, I say to you that TODAY, this night, before the cock shall crow twice, you shall deny Me three times.”
Act 26:29 And Sha’ul said, “Much or little, I pray to Elohim that not only you, but also all who hear me TODAY, might become such as I also am.."
Heb 3:15 while it is said, “TODAY, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
willemv:
Dear all
I as a little naughty and I knew it when I posted my first comment , but I really expected more !
When I referred to the resurrection I never had the first resurrection in mind , the thief was not a saint or elect. That I expected all of you to know. In our diligence to find second witnesses in the Bible and to quote a whole series from Deuteronomy ... those really have no bearing on the circumstances on the cross . This was a unique occurrence and there are other in the Bible where you will find it very difficult to find a second witness unless you "read " it in to fit your argument.
Kind regards,love and blessings , Wim
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