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cheekie3:
All -

I have been thinking a lot lately about the Scriptures regarding those in Authority:

1 Timothy 2:1-7 (KJV)
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Hebrews 13:17 (KJV)
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Romans 13:1-10 (KJV)
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Above all we are to obey and do His Commandments in Love.

When I observe those in authority, all I see is lies, deceit, corruption and all that is contrary to what Our Heavenly Father demands of us - yet we are commanded to obey those in authority.

Does this mean that we are without question to obey all IN GOVERNMENT that rule over us (that invariably are self seeking and corrupt).

I even struggle to understand who we are to obey in His Called Out Called Out (True) Church - as above each one of us is Christ and above Christ is Our Heavenly Father. So apart from obeying His Word (and His Commandments), Jesus Himself and Our Heavenly Father, I do not know who else in His True Church we are to obey. I do not recollect that John, Peter, James and Paul taught us to obey them.

If we are to Love and obey The Truth, how can we obey those that lord it over us in authority who have none of His Truth in them.

To me Hebrews 13:17 and Romans 13: 1-10 is all about His True Church; and those in authority in His True Church must be people - yet we are to obey God rather than mankind - and those in His True Church must invariably teach us to obey His Word - which brings us back to the authority levels in Scripture - women submit themselves to their husbands, and All True Believers are IN and under the authority of Christ Jesus, and Jesus is Placed First amongst all by Our Heavenly Father.

1 Timothy 2 (1-7) teaches us how we should pray for all, including those in authority (including the wicked and our enemies).

We are to resist the devil - yet Satan is the ruler of this world (and in authority over the rulers of darkness and wickedness), which include mankind in authority as kings and in government.

As practically everything in the world is contrary to what His True Church must adhere to, how can we obey these corrupt people ruled by Satan who must be Babylon the great - as Babylon the great cannot just be the false church.

Can anyone shed any Light on this please.

Thank You.

Kind Regards.

(Enquiring) George.

 

rick:
Hi George,


But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain:


Gods people do not use swords but the authority over us do, ok, today they have guns but scripture says those who live by the sword will die by the sword and it's the same things with guns.

I agree most in authority are corrupt and many have become perverse but Scripture is clear because it does not say obey only if they are right with God but rather it say obey them in authority over you.

These in authority over us who are in office are there because God put them there so we must obey.

If these who are in authority over us are enemies of the cross remember God said to love your enemy. It's not so much about what they are doing as it is about what we are doing which is to obey our God.

All will be straightened out in the end but if you fight against them you'll be fighting against what God has ordained. So Love your neighbors as you do yourself and by doing this you'll fulfill the greatest law of God which is love.

It's better to pray for them than to complain about them.


God bless.

cheekie3:
Rick -


--- Quote from: Rick on June 10, 2016, 09:43:43 AM ---Hi George,


But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain:


Gods people do not use swords but the authority over us do, ok, today they have guns but scripture says those who live by the sword will die by the sword and it's the same things with guns.

I agree most in authority are corrupt and many have become perverse but Scripture is clear because it does not say obey only if they are right with God but rather it say obey them in authority over you.

These in authority over us who are in office are there because God put them there so we must obey.

If these who are in authority over us are enemies of the cross remember God said to love your enemy. It's not so much about what they are doing as it is about what we are doing which is to obey our God.

All will be straightened out in the end but if you fight against them you'll be fighting against what God has ordained. So Love your neighbors as you do yourself and by doing this you'll fulfill the greatest law of God which is love.

It's better to pray for them than to complain about them.


God bless.

--- End quote ---

I wholeheartedly agree with your post.

I know that God Himself places those in authority.

Pharaoh was put in authority by God himself; as was Pilot - yet God himself wanted to free His People from Pharaoh.

My point is regarding the apparent contradictions (and I know that His Word does not contradict).

Let me try and make an example by way of an illustration:

Muhammad Ali (and I know he was a Muslim) refused those in authority who ordered him to go to war and kill those on a different land. He refused.

Did Muhammad Ali sin according to the New Testament Scriptures by not going to war.

I do know that what we are all asked to obey in the world, is always subtle, and difficult to get to the root cause - and if one proves the root cause, and it is contrary to His Word, how can one obey that which His Word instructs us not to obey (i.e. should a member of His Elect who is working in a hospital, where abortions are carried out, obey those in authority over them without question and be party to the abortion).

Does His Word really teach us to obey those in authority in this world, while at the same time ordering us to come out of her (Babylon the great) and not be party to her sins.

How can we come out of her (Babylon the great) and be in the world but not of the world, and still obey those in authority in the world (especially as the Elect should not be in Satan's kingdom).

(Still enquiring) George.

rick:
Hi ,George

I understand your meaning but why complicate things ? We are commanded to obey those in authority until the laws they put out go to contrary to Gods law.

I agree all is corrupt and perverted but we cannot use their corruption as an excuse to disobey God.

It's Gods creation not ours, God knows what He is doing and if God tells up to obey these corrupt leaders they we obey them. I know it's not what you want to hear nor what I want to say but it's all of God and besides these corrupt leaders will also be brought into the family of God.

If you look at things from a carnal minded perspective the solution will be a carnal minded solution and not of the spirit of God solution .

How much harder will it be for them in the lake of fire ? God does say vengeance is mine meaning Gods not ours.

God bless.

lareli:
Paul said in Romans that rulers are not a terror to good works but to evil.... Sounds like our modern day version of "if you're not doing anything wrong then you've got nothing to worry about"... Kind of ironic coming from Paul who a short time earlier was going house to house under the authority of the law and assaulting peaceful people, kids and women and throwing them in jail.... Not to mention Jesus Christ had just recently been beaten by those who rule and publicly executed by them.. All done by these rulers who are supposedly not a terror to good works.

I don't doubt that we are to submit to rulers even if we are being unfairly treated or persecuted... In deed it is to our benefit when we bare unjust persecution as if we are submitting to God Himself. My only point of poor understanding is why or how Paul of all people could write that rulers are not a terror to good but to evil. I just don't see that being true.

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