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Did I not hate God enough ?
Kat:
Hi Rick, when you began to understand God sovereignty I guess it's kind of understandable to want to blame Him for your/our wretched condition, after all He did make us as we are. Being a slave doesn't set well with you, but being that it is by God that all things consist (Col 1:17), we created being do not have a life of our own, to operate independent of our Creator. I like knowing I'm in the Hands of the perfect almighty God. But we all are looking at ourselves in a incomplete form right now, how can you judge your Maker before He has finished His work? Makes me think of this verse.
Rom 9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to Him who formed it, "Why have You made me like this?"
Here's an analogy I thought of... we use a car everyday and might take for granted the complex and intricate mechanical thing that it is. I've thought about if a person from just a couple hundred years ago were shown a car, that how astonished they would be to even look at it, much more to zoom around in it. Most of us have some idea of the general production it takes to come up with the end results. But thinking of all the hard work that goes into shaping and forming all the thousands of individual pieces and how they were cut and molded to be made the exact right shape. Then they needed to be welded together and hammered into place, a very precise design and construction. You might say there's a lot of really harsh treatment needed to build one. But just think about the sleek high performance cars we have today, they are a marvel. We use them daily and can travel great distances in comforter and at a much faster speed than in times past. I was watching a show the other day about the first cars and people were scared of the speed, because they didn't know if the body could take going 20 mph ;)
But seriously if a car can be designed and built by a man (even that is because God gave him the ability to gain that kind of knowledge), but can you consider how much more the wisdom God is using and has determined what is necessary for us to be made? Yes we must endure a lot now, but I think it's certainly going to be worth what the end product will be. Yes we find this initial process in our development, all this learning good and evil too harsh... I'm thinking the perfect God has that in the exact right amount and degree that we need to be well grounded in this knowledge to never forget it... even if it makes us question and hate Him for a while, what He is doing to us to produce what He knows is necessary. But there's no doubt it certainly is a difficult period to endure.
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Since God is good and God is love, He naturally wants His sons and daughters to be good and love also.
Goodness, righteousness, virtue, character, and love AND INANIMATE things cannot be created as a rock, or water, or a star, etc. By the very nature of goodness, virtue, etc., it requires TIME AND CIRCUMSTANCE to develop (or create, if you will) these things. And so God CREATES all that is needed to develop these virtuous traits of character and love.
Since any and every virtue that you can think of is the result of overcoming some for of evil, EVIL, therefore, becomes a very important ingredient in the development of virtue, character and love.
As God does not DIRECTLY try anyone, He had to create adversaries to do this "dirty work." And so, God created His OWN ADVERSARY, Satan, the devil. There are lesser adversaries in the form of demons.
Goes gives man the illusion of having "free" will, which exalts his pride and vanity and causes him to think he can operate independently from God. This then brings about SIN. SIN is so bad that it needs to be atoned for. God sent His Son Jesus Christ to be this Atonement.
Only a few are presently called to understand ANY OF THESE THINGS. The rest of humanity will be called at the great white throne judging.
There was NO evil present with God before Satan, for God UNDERSTANDS all of the ramifications of good and evil. When all enemies and powers are brought under Christ's subjection, then evil, sin, and even death itself will be abolished.
Sin and evil are absolutely necessary in the development of human character, virtue, and love.
God be with you,
Ray
stello:
Hi Rick,
Just a few words of encouragement from someone going through the same feelings. God is good and i trust Him to take care of everything. He promised us that He will.
James 1:2 "Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds"
1Peter 4:12 "Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you."
Jer 29:11 "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."
Mark 9:49 "Everyone will be salted with fire."
Roman 8:18 "I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us."
Stello
Numbers 6:25 "the LORD make his face shine on you and be gracious to you"
octoberose:
Interestingly enough i was listening to a friends recording on You Tube today and a video (a voice recording) of Ray's popped up. You know how it knows what you've looked at before and shows you things that are like it? This one is Why God Just Didn't make Us all Like Jesus- part 1 and 2. As I was listening I immediately thought of Rick's post and of course I often have some of the same questions. Sometimes listening is more powerful than reading and it gave me greater comfort to hear these things in Ray's voice . Maybe some of you will find comfort in it too. God really does have more in store for us then we ask or think...... it's going to be amazing. And worth it. And we'll understand. Right now is painful, but morning is coming. This is what came to my mind while I was listening-
For his anger lasts only a moment,
but his favor lasts a lifetime;
weeping may stay for the night,
but rejoicing comes in the morning. Psalms 30:5
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 17, 2016, 10:27:16 AM ---
Hi Rick, when you began to understand God sovereignty I guess it's kind of understandable to want to blame Him for your/our wretched condition, after all He did make us as we are. Being a slave doesn't set well with you, but being that it is by God that all things consist (Col 1:17), we created being do not have a life of our own, to operate independent of our Creator. I like knowing I'm in the Hands of the perfect almighty God. But we all are looking at ourselves in a incomplete form right now, how can you judge your Maker before He has finished His work? Makes me think of this verse.
Rom 9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to Him who formed it, "Why have You made me like this?"
--- End quote ---
Here is another beautiful verse given this perspective that I think really hits this home;
Hebrews 2
1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
The Great God and our Savior Jesus Christ will not abandon us Rick!
Our struggles are painful, they are frustrating, they seem unfair at times, they are an evil, but we are so special to God that He steps down into the flesh to die for us and promises us a future redemption where in we shall see Him as He is for we will be like Him.
He is coming soon for us brother! Hold fast to His Word. He is faithful!
Love,
Alex
AwesomeSavior:
Rick:
I can sympathize with your feelings, because I HAVE experienced both anger and rage towards God since first coming to BT back in 2005. The first period of it was in that same year, when I realized that most of the things I learned in my church were b.s. It took about a year for me to get over that. The second, and even more dramatic example of anger was four years ago, when the Lord arranged such agonizing circumstances at my job which I loved, that I eventually had no other choice but to quit. I could not understand why events at my workplace were spiraling downhill for the previous eight months, until one day after much agony, the solution popped in my head. The Lord wanted me to leave, and was slowly making things unbearable for me at that place. Looking back on it (like John in Revelation), I now know why he had me to leave, as He wanted me out of Florida and back to Michigan, to be here with and for my family. That second experience reminds me of both the book of Revelation, where John "looks back" and then is shown the whole revelation of the hideousness of this Beast Within, and also Daniel's description of it in Chapter 7, verses 7 and 8. I also have become MUCH MORE AWARE of the devil's constant "fiery darts" that he throws at me, and how to "resist the devil", but I'm not perfect. We are on such an incredible salvation process!
The Lord lead me last night, and also this morning, to watch another program and read even more details on what Christ went through during his crown of thorns, whippings with cat o nine tails, and the asphyxiation death he suffered on that cross. I don't think there was one square inch of his body that was not bleeding. Sometimes... God will have me recall these sorrowful details on occasion, and it's very humbling unto me, and I realize He has me (and all of us) on that straight and narrow path to salvation.
Dean
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