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The sovereignty of God.
rick:
Hi Kat,
Your reasoning is strong and I'm inclined to believe you, you brought Rays meaning home to me, it's difficult to explain but I understood what Ray was saying but ur explanation really Helps.
Here we have two brothers, one wants to dominate the world regardless of how many will die and the other brother wants to feed people . I agree that it's interesting.
This must also apply to the very jobs we all have . There is nothing in everyone's life that God has not approved of so one can concluded God totally dominates His entire creation as He is totally sovereign over all things right down to our very yes or no.
God bless.
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Rick on July 24, 2016, 01:02:58 PM ---...There is nothing in everyone's life that God has not approved of so one can concluded God totally dominates His entire creation as He is totally sovereign over all things right down to our very yes or no.
--- End quote ---
Simple Definition of approve
: to believe that something or someone is good or acceptable
: to officially accept (an idea, action, plan, etc.)
I don't mean to nit-pick, but why would you put it like that? What has God "approved"? Is He up in heaven stamping His approval on our choices?
And does He really "approve" of everything? By that simple definition, why should He be long-suffering toward us? That's an honest question. He hasn't finished with us yet.
rick:
Hi Dave,
You say you don't mean to nit pick but you are and I don't mind. It's all about the learning curve with me, Nothing happens in this age that does not have Gods approval , it seems simple to me.
Perhaps it's just a play on words you disagree with but I'm convince nothing happens unless God says so and so to me God must approve of everything that is happening or it won't happen.
Do you believe Gods long suffering is a result of someone doing anything that somehow took God by surprise and He can't do anything about it ? the God I know controls everything and there is nothing that can ever take God by surprise . Gods long suffering is God enduring what He created until His plan has come to a conclusion then so won't His long suffering as well.
God bless.
Kat:
Hi Rick, I too noticed that comment about God 'approved,' it's almost sounds to me like saying we make a choice and God comes along and okays it or has allowed 'our' decision... it's kinda like giving ourselves credit for the decision. Consider if God has brought something about -caused- it in the first place, then saying He approves, doesn't seem to recognize Him as that first cause. Now I do not believe that is what you were saying, but getting down to the meaning of words, it can come across that way.
Yes this is nit picking, but it does get to that if we really want to nail these things down.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
Hi Kat,
Everything in life to me is according to the counsel of God , in my mind or understanding God obviously approved His own Council .
For anyone to think they make a choice or decision and then God either approves it or rejects it is to believe they have free will and that God is not sovereign.
I've started enough threads on this site and made many comments concerning my basic beliefs about my understanding of the sovereignty of God that anyone reading what I say should know what my meaning is, kinda like personal recognition where one does not need a picture ID to know that person is who they say they are.
When I had first read Daves comment on the word approved I thought to myself how can he say that knowing that God is sovereign and nothing in my belief tells me otherwise.
This website to me is not about any given individual but about Gods truth and a moderators job is solemnly upholding these truths.
Kat , you understand me and know what my meaning was and because of your reply I now understand in a clearer way what Dave's meaning was.
Words have meaning and now I understand I should of have chosen my wording in a more articulate way to preserve the truths of this forum and now I see that is what Dave was doing but I did not pick up on that at the time I replied to his response.
If it takes nit picking to bring out a truth I don't mind at all and if it takes nit picking for me to convey my meaning in an articulate way then let it be so.
I thank you Kat for intervening and also I thank you Dave too for bringing up my error which could be deceiving to someone new on this forum.
God bless you moderators and keep the good work up.
God bless .
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